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Post by
faia
Whenever I do 5 mans with PUG rogues, they generally can't touch my dps. Don't know why this is, whether its because rogues in general aren't very good, or if they didn't scale well to 80. In my opinion rogues are bad dps compare to ret and DKs.
Rogues are the dps kings, they should out-dps rets with no problems, if they can't then they are crap at rogues.
or heavy aoe fights....fan of knife is a joke
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Post by
daboss40
Rogues are the dps kings, they should out-dps rets with no problems, if they can't then they are crap at rogues.
Are you serious? Have you been living under a rock since WotLK launched?
News Flash: There is no such things as a 'best dps class'. Blizz changed the mechanics of the game in such a way that all classes capable of doing dps can potentially top the dps charts.
Rogues are no longer the one stop shop for crazy dps. that's probably why they haven't been doing so great as of late. Rogues were certainly easier to get into than most other dps classes. They used walk into raids with PvP gear and still do very well in terms of dps. Since that's not the case anymore, and every class requires a certain degree of mastery to succeed, most rogues will find their dps fall right off with respect to everyone else's.
I was at Obsidian 25 last night, and there were 3 rogues in the raid. None of them were in the top 5 for dps. It was all hunters (who might be a little OP right now), locks, and pallies.
Then again, the same can be said about ret pallies. Most ret paladins I meet these days were former healers and tanks that jumped on the 'retwagon' once ret got good. A lot of them are geared to the nines (T7, etc.), but are really bad at playing the class well. I saw a ret pally with an expertise gem in his T7 ret helm, and spell power chant on his 2h mace.
Sad.
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Post by
Denarius
We only take 1 rogue because their dps is not good enough to include more than one.
Then your rogue's suck.
iz tru, vury tru
Seriously, our guild is a very new guild on our server, we only have about 15 level 80s, but we make our raids work, we've only ever done Naxx with one rogue and he is one of the best rogues i've ever seen play, But he was below our DK off tank who in tank gear, 10 man buffed, has 3900 AP, at the top of the charts was a BM hunter, 3200 dps or so, Destro lock, around 2900 dps, and me, a ret pally, right under the lock.
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Kael'thas&n=Oxibank&ST=US-995768-ZCT7iryJbRz6jnctUoJl4QNdNzrvDVUuPV4&rhtml=true
Post by
Avalonia
What "nerf" are you referring to seeing the only person that could possibly make the argument that paladins got a nerf was some freak who made a 10+ part you tube segment on how much Blizzard hates paladins which basically came down to his hatred of the color pink. Blizzard has been buffing the hell out of paladins every patch since the beginning of the game. If you want to see a nerf look what has happened to priests over the years or what is going to happen to hunters in this expansion. If I was a BM hunter, I would probably quit after this expansion because the entire tree is being nerfed into oblivion. Anyways, getting back to the actual question, paladins in greens and blues are breaking at least 1800 dps in most cases (2200 easily when fighting undead) which is more than any other class can break in equal quality gear except maybe for dks.
Post by
Avalonia
We only take 1 rogue because their dps is not good enough to include more than one.
GOOD rogues are still breaking 2200 dps. That is pretty impressive still. However, to be good at being a rogue you have to spec and gear for PvE which a lot of rogues don't do. Please don't disparage rogues just because you have grouped with a lot of sucky ones that couldn't gear, spec, and rotate abilities correctly.
Post by
Avalonia
Whenever I do 5 mans with PUG rogues, they generally can't touch my dps. Don't know why this is, whether its because rogues in general aren't very good, or if they didn't scale well to 80. In my opinion rogues are bad dps compare to ret and DKs.
Its because they still suffer from an abundance of newbness and people that have no clue how to gear/spec/play a rogue. I've seen rogues break 2200 and I've seen rogues that couldn't break 1600. The difference is normally the player themselves. Ret paladins on the other hand have very little they actually have to do to keep top dps, and they basically gear by stacking strength as high as it can go which makes them about 10x easier to play. The dk on the other hand also suffers from the same newbness that the rogue class does, and I've seen good ones that can break 3300 and bad ones that can't break 1500 and it still comes down to the player. So in short, the reason ret seems to be so high in dps is because they are harder to suck at that rogues and dks.
Post by
Avalonia
In raid, if i'm not pushing out around 3500+ (for boss fight) on my hunter i'm actually disappointed (and wondering what went wrong).
Be prepared to suck seeing they just nerfed you into oblivion. There isn't a single talent in the BM tree that didn't get nerfed. It kind of sucks really.
With dps being important, the general feeling in my guild at the moment is that Ret Pally just doesn't seem viable. It doesn't have the ability to keep up with the other classes and as for AoE dps, it still falls way behind the hunters.
Then your ret paladins suck and your guild is filled with moronic leadership. It reminds me of the time my guild wouldn't let my dk friend who is breaking 3300 dps in heroics raid because he "wasn't specced for dps". Trying to compare the ret paladin (when 95% of them suck at dps) to the overpowered and soon to be nerfed into oblivion bm hunter is the definition of insanity. I wonder if you will still have the same feeling when you can't come close to the dps of a ret paladin as a hunter of any spec. BTW, if your guild is deciding for you which toon you get to raid with then decide for yourself to dump your guild and find another one. The ones that are tops on the servers right now in most cases won't even be able to raid the same content they do now in about 6 months do to people finally being fed up with the crap that they are dishing out. Such is the cycle of WoW.
Post by
Avalonia
Rogues are the dps kings, they should out-dps rets with no problems, if they can't then they are crap at rogues.
Rogues are not the dps kings. They haven't been for quite a long time. Well played dps warriors killed rogues in dps in TBC. In Wrath the king of dps is the well played DK.
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Post by
omberg
If you want to faceroll, play the Paladin at 80.
If you want a challenge, play a different class.
I have left my Paladin until it get's tools/utility as opposed to CD smashing in any particular order aside judging first.
Seeing posts like that makes me loose faith in... Well.. You... Seriously, you can not have mot experience of WoW if that is your honest opinion. I'm not saying that I'm better than you in anyway, I'm just saying that to play
any
class well in WOTLK you don't only need knowledge about rotations and such. You also need to know how to gear(and some other general stuff ofc!).
Should I gem for crit as a paladin? Will these leather gear be an improvement for my current plate once? Should I go for T7 or use randoms?
I could go on forever which such questions.. So before you start saying that it's easy, l2p. And I don't mean that in a bad way, I'm just saying, it's not easy "CD smashing" to win!
Edit: wupps, spelling *cough cough*
Post by
Cetlysm
in my opinion rogues shud beat anyone in dps by far, even with regular gear, cuz i mean, wat can a rogue do? only dps, paladins can heal tank dps, warriors can tank and dps, hunters can dps, and slight tank, druids can do everything, etc etc
even if the other classes don't do good at tanking, healing or something, they can still do it.
you put a rogue to tank and he can only tank a melee mob for 12 sec if he is half lucky, you put it to heal, and well i hope you brought enough bandages.
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