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Warlock Guide: Talents & Specs for WotLK 3.0.3
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Post by
asakawa
nope.
take point 41 for FG and just be sensible about using a phased imp on fights that really punish pets.
conflag isn't useful without backdraft... compared to FG it's ridiculously ineffective and shooting yourself in the foot to get it is really ignorant.
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lamaboy04
i can't decide whether felguard or chaos bolt.
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Post by
asakawa
suppression without cataclysm means this build doesn't work.
either you need the hit or you don't. talent for it or don't.
ISB won't be any better after the patch because mages will do it better and easier. of course we still need to see more details but it seems to me to be the nail in the coffin of an already dead talent.
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asakawa
if you don't need the hit then don't take suppression. there's zero benefit from taking it if you're capped (hard or soft). fel concentration and amp curse are weak but "weak" > "useless". (IDS is actually good and is a given if you have the points for it)
cataclysm, on the other hand, does have a very minor use, even when hit capped, in it's mana cost reduction. if you're in a group with FFB or fire mage (pretty likely these days) then the buff is covered and once again you have 5 points spent achieving nothing.
if you run in 10 mans with a group that doesn't have a mage then it might be worth talenting towards but if you're hit capped i'd rather have the current ISB over the proposed new one.
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asakawa
lol, you're quite right about suppression. silly me, never noticed that change >.<
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Post by
Blightman
Hey,
Just wondering Blightman if you will be updating this sticky once 3.1.0 goes live. I would greatly appreciate and be able to see some of our newer options in comparison like you have them now. Yes I do understand that this is would be a lot of work especially with all of the glyph changes as well.
Thanks
Yes, I do plan on updating this when 3.1 hits. Ugh!
I do NOT plan on doing any speculative work based on PTR.
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Blightman
hey blight how have you been? Since i posted have been doing some naxx sarth etc and have to say with my felguard, meta and des build when people do the recounts i usually am in 3rd or 4th dps and considering the people beating me out gear me i feel happy.
Just asking because i know blizz seems to keep changing our class around especially with the patch coming up, has anything changed with des? I ask because i know you have stated before you felt that chaos bolt was broken and spells like haunt and meta offered more.
I am asking because just when i walk around dalaran or if i u know always inspect other locks to see what they are wearing, and i notice it seems like every lock in full epics or t7 just to always be full des with chaos bolt.
Just wondering your opinion on this. thanks and i am looking forward to reading some posts since i been gone.
I think they have kept all the major specs viable. To paraphrase(I don't quote well) aasakwa:
Gear/Spec is a DPS hard cap, Player Skill is a soft cap.
I always recommend comparing your DPS only against YOUR DPS.
I still feel that Haunt is a very strong talent. That meta is, well, clumsy. CB has been improved and is almost a good(PvE) spell.
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Blightman
lol thanks for the response. so why do you feel cb and meta are bad? meta for me i love 20% dmg increase is always a good thing and depending on the boss fight the immo aura is great such as the dog god i cant think of his name in naxx.
each time i fight him i always pop meta cast my usual dots charge in with immo aura and every sec it ticks, i mean it helps but i also love it in bg's. Do the bg daily and it really is amazing with immo aura on how fast you can drop any class.
I have heard that haunt is being changed and dot's such as siphon are being removed, do you think that will hurt aff big time?
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Not going speculate on anything in 3.1 yet. I expect 50-70% of it to change before they release it.
I didn't say meta or CB was bad. CB is okay but doesn't bring a "WOW" to PvE DPS. It has a nice DPCST just not a great DPS. It's damage is moderated for the anti-spell abosrption which is primarily PvP
Meta is just clumsy. And yes you get +20% DPS for 30s every 3m. Incin spam with Emberstorm can generally out DPS that over the 3m time frame. In PvP, when I play my rogue in BGs, if the lock trinkets stun and pops meta, I counter with clos/vanish/sprint. All of those have a shorted CD than Meta and trinket. I'll wait it out and kill the lock when his CDs are gone and mine aren't. And I'll sap his little FG too. The stun reduction should be a permanent thing not just when in demon form. Would not mind seeing immo aura be an automatically on and stay on for the whole duration. Drop the spell coeff in 1/2 to compensate. If a lock doesn't/can't trinket stuns and they survive the stun/bashing the health mutlpe is 600% of 1/3-1/2 of your total health.
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Blightman
Doesnt felguard empower remove sap?
It does, if you can hit it before the rogue cheapshots you. If you don't then it doesn;t matter becuase you can't use it when stunned. If you do get it off and the rogue has not lost stealth then they will just sneak away for 15s and start again while you eat the 1m CD on it.
Ive also said many times when fighting a rogue it's all about cd's. they have many we have dc
It is about CDs. The sad fact is almost all of theirs are shorter than ours. Simply put the way rogues are designed they have an advantage over locks in PvP.
Post by
Blightman
Lifted from teh locked thread:
I cant wait for actual sticky with all of the new official content.
I can, oh wait, that's because I'll have to put it together /sob
You know blightman if you ever want help there are people here that will / would love to help you with this process. In case you dont feel like going mad and editing a lot of what was already written.
Lol, thanks. I know I will get plenty of help from everyone here. If you review the many posts in this thread you will see that I got a lot of help writing this one. And it truly won't be as hard since a lot of the talents seem to be staying the same.
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