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Post by
Aadramelekh
After playing up to level 80 on my feral druid and trying out heroics and 10 man Naxxramas, I can say that feral druids can definitely compare with warriors as main tanks in raids. Hell, I completed Naxxramas 10 man with another feral as partner in tanking.
The fact that the uber armored leather is out of the question now and you won't be seeing 35K armor bears has been balanced with another thing: a talent. Now, using armor rings, armor amulet, some lvl 80 blues/epics and a no armor staff, plus the Badge of Tenacity, I stand at 29K HP unbuffed and 24K armor in bear form.
That 24K armor corresponds to around 63% physical damage reduction vs lvl 80 mobs. And about 60% against raid bosses. True, that is no longer the 75% I had agains raid bosses at level 70, in 35K armor. BUT the uber talent Protector of the Pack does something wonderful for bears: for each member in party, I get 3% DMG reduction from ALL sources (magic DMG too). So, in a full 5 man party, I have 12% bonus DMG reduction from all sources in bear form. And bingo! that brings me up to 72% physical DMG reduction against raid bosses. Full Tier 7 leather gear combined with armor amulet and rings, plus an armor staff will get me back to 75% physical DMG reduction against raid bosses and also 12% magic DMG reduction. That is pretty neat. Of course, I don't have the uber avoidance of a warrior (dodge+block+parry), I only have 36% dodge right now and around +1% miss chance from some defense rating on my gear (although actually gearing up for defense rating is no longer an objective of the feral druid, Survival of the Fittest takes care of that with 6% received crit chance reduction). But with 34000 HP in Naxxramas 10, with capable healers behind, absolutely no boss in there was able to grind me down. Hell, I once ran with a 27K HP warrior as MT and me as OT. After the first 3 bosses I was MT and he got to be OT. Because now feral druids can tank like a dream. And in the tank gear I have (no T7 piece yet, and not even any T6 pieces left), I can generate threat like mad, since on a target that is bleeding (Lacerate) and mangled, I get 5500 maul critical hits (33% crit chance and 5000 AP in bear form). That is bigger than the 5000 shred crits I get in cat form DPS (37% crit and 5800 AP in cat form).
Conclusion for feral druids. They WILL be a viable endgame tanking option. For ANY boss is my guess now. Reasons?
Section A - Damage mitigation and avoidance:
1 - Protector of the Pack talent = +12% DMG reduction from all sources;
2 - Natural Reaction talent = +6% dodge and 3 rage generated when dodging an attack;
3 - Barkskin usable in forms now = instant 20% additional DMG reduction (applied AFTER the normal DMG reduction - meaning that a hit for 1000 DMG in normal conditions now does only 800 DMG with Barkskin) for 12 seconds ( and 4 piece T7 bonus gives 3 seconds more to barkskin 15 seconds FTW). 1 min cooldown FTW;
4 - Survival Instincts talent = for 20 seconds, adds a 30% of total HP bonus. Using this I got up to 44000 HP in Naxxramas, raid buffed. 3 min cooldown;
5 - Frenzied Regeneration now heals proportionally with total current HP (0.3% of total health per point of rage, so 100 rage FR = 30% of total health healed in 10 seconds FTW!) and in addition, the bear receives +20% healing while FR is active. 3 min cooldown;
6 - Healthstones and Health Potions usable in forms now;
Section B - Threat generation:
1 - Mangle now increases Maul by 30% as well;
2 - Savage Fury talent = +20% damage to Maul;
3 - Rend and Tear talent = +20% damage to Maul on bleeding targets;
4 - Feral Instinct Talent = +30% damage to Swipe - better AoE tanking.
Result: A mangled and bleeding target receives +70% damage from maul (hence my 2400-2500 Maul hits and 5500+ Maul crits). And the 400+ normal / 800+ crits I get with maul make sure my secondary tanking targets don't run off to the healers.
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Post by
Lingchao
Parrazell, I never said you couldn't raid end game as a druid. Don't forget that I said "Warriors can do it BETTER" holy %^&*, lol. Again, can't brag about doing Kara, but BT, sure. If your healers want a harder time healing the tank, have a druid tank. You are lucky they don't give a $%^&. My server won't allow druids mt %^&*, and again I never said they couldn't it is just not the most logical thing to do since warriors are uncrushable. Pretty funny how you think I suck at tanking based on what I think, lol. I guess being in a guild that progressed in sunwell makes you trash. They just let anyone have a shot at it, lol. I don't give druids a bad name, pretty sure I didn't make bears crushable. You can thank blizzard for that^^. Truth in the matter is that you evade my point every post about warriors being superior than druids on most end game raiding. Just accept it. Sure you may progress through bt because you got a decent guild but that doesn't change the fact that if you were a warrior, you could do it better. Making a new thread if you want to continue, druids are lesser end game raiding tanks. Maybe some with more insight on the matter might agree/disagree. Not the posts of randoms saying they can main tank kara....
P.S. Parrazell, take some english classes my friend or finish highschool, lol.
Post by
Lingchao
Parrazell, I never said you couldn't raid end game as a druid. Don't forget that I said "Warriors can do it BETTER" holy $%^&, lol. Again, can't brag about doing Kara, but BT, sure. If your healers want a harder time healing the tank, have a druid tank. You are lucky they don't give a &*!@. My server won't allow druids mt %^&*, and again I never said they couldn't it is just not the most logical thing to do since warriors are uncrushable. Pretty funny how you think I suck at tanking based on what I think, lol. I guess being in a guild that progressed in sunwell makes you trash. They just let anyone have a shot at it, lol. I don't give druids a bad name, pretty sure I didn't make bears crushable. You can thank blizzard for that^^. Truth in the matter is that you evade my point every post about warriors being superior than druids on most end game raiding. Just accept it. Sure you may progress through bt because you got a decent guild but that doesn't change the fact that if you were a warrior, you could do it better. Making a new thread if you want to continue, druids are lesser end game raiding tanks. Maybe some with more insight on the matter might agree/disagree. Not the posts of randoms saying they can main tank kara....
P.S. Parrazell, take some english classes my friend or finish highschool, lol.
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Post by
Lingchao
Really don't think anyone knows. Hypothetically you should be fine making a druid/paladin but I think you are just going to have to just pick one and find out. Blizzard seems to want all tanks equal due to the fact they took out being crushable. If they find paladins out-tank wars, dks and druids then I'm sure they will somehow level the playing field. That is if they indeed want tanks to be equal and what level of skill be determined by the players skill and not the class. Sorry for the previous off-topic double post, lol.
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Lingchao
I've tanked 25 mans, just never gotten lewtz.
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Post by
Ja2on888
... blah blah blah...
No. I meant i solo tank kara.
I also have tanked every boss in ZA.
I have also tanked every boss in SSC during progression raids
I have also tanked every boss in TK during progression raids
I have also tanked every boss in MH during progression raids
I have also tanked the first 5 bosses in BT during progression raids
Just because your crap at tanking doesnt mean all druids are.
Our guilds 'Main Tank' (a warrior) technically out gears me (in terms of ilevel) yet I have beter mitigation and better threat output than he does. So if I take less damage and generate more threat than a warrior that out gears me, who exactly does that make me a less capable tank?
Druids. Can. Main. Tank.
Get over your own shortcomings, forget the sterotypes and quit giving druids a bad name.
Kudos to you, you make us Bears proud. :P
Post by
Spalding
This discussion is a buzzkill. Can we just label this "tanking epeen war #10,000,001" and move on with our lives?
Pick a tank. Play your tank. Grab aggro. Get healed. Roll for loot. STFU.
Let's pick another classic nerd fight. I'll give you a topic...
"That's a hunter weapon, everyone roll..."
Discuss...
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