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Korpimieli
Is there anything that a priest can do but a druid cannot? Druids sure tank, dps and buff better... I mean, they even say druids are the master healers, whereas priests are only the most versatile healers. What reasons could or would you come up with choosing a priest over a druid?
I´ve always had problems understanding what is the intended role of priests in WoW. The problem comes in mind especially as I am comparing druids to priests.
(Don't get me wrong, I love my priest!)
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Post by
Aylia
Druids will struggle with raid healing compared to a CoH priest. For anything else, they're pretty much equal or better.
Post by
razzem
Druids will struggle with raid healing compared to a CoH priest. For anything else, they're pretty much equal or better.
I used to agree with this statement, but Trees are fantastic raid healers if they know what they are doing. The key is having the brains to apply single lifeblooms to multiple people and then let them expire. I would arguable say that Trees are the best raid healers... competed with by Resto shammys and CoH priests.
The problem with CoH is that it affect a 5 man group only, and if they are spread out, you lose lots of efficiency. So, it can be fantastic, but it depends on the fight, how many melee you have, and the positional requirements for certain bosses.
Fortunately for us, CoH will now affect 5 (6) people in the raid, regardless of group, assuming that I understand the wotlk stuff correctly.
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razzem
Priests are meant to just be another healing class, they shouldn't bring anything markedly better than any other class, the decision to bring one class over the other for the same role should come down to gear/personal skill.
You may want to check out the latest shadow buffs, I think it's fairly dubious to say that priests will out DPS druids by a large margin.
Hard to say. I also have a druid - balance now. Balance will be amazing.... 13% damage from all schools? Wow.
But shadow has some really nice stuff like refreshable shadow word: pain, mana regen on Mindblast crit, AoE shadow damage, Hit chance increase!
Anyway, I think beta is beta. The holy talents that priests had in the upper tiers got the freaking whack-down. 60% mana return from overheals down to 25%, as well as the clearcasting nerf to only be 3% more for 3 talent points :X
Post by
SeaOfHoles
Well, I for one hope Priests regain the top healing spot. Its annoying to be routinely outhealed in the BGs by Druids and Paladins.
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Korpimieli
I've said the same thing this whole time. I hate seeing how Shamans, Druids, and Paladins have so many options and they are just as good healers as priest if not better. I really hope Blizz realizes the problem here and hooks us up in the expansion some how.
My first character, which I regrettably deleted, was a level 40 holy Paladin. Healing instances without HoT and AoE was kinda hard. So I started as a priest, I wanted to be a proper healer.
It needs to be said that in my experience, priests heal 5-man instances much better than paladins. I have all the equipment I need whereas Paladin was in some cases rather helpless.
I think I will start some alts so that I will have all the four healing classes. Will fill different roles with them initially, though. I will be able to do some comparison on their healing abilities along the way.
Protection Pally (tank)
Enhancement Shaman (melee dps)
Elemental Druid (caster dps)
Holy Priest (healer)
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SeaOfHoles
Sorry for wanting to be equal, masta. I'll get to the back of the bus now, masta.
Equal? You are much better tanks, much better DPS and better healers in PVP, worse healers in PVE? How is that equal?
There is a thread on the PvE forum about healer selection. A lot of people put Resto Druids in their 5 man groups AHEAD of a Holy Priest. That sounds like equal.
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Post by
cloudp
Fortunately for us, CoH will now affect 5 (6) people in the raid, regardless of group, assuming that I understand the wotlk stuff correctly.
Even better, regardless of group, and ALWAYS ADRESSING THE LEAST HP TARGET. What i am not sure about is wether this means numeric or % based.
Priests for PvE
-They have a better range of abilities to fullfill any heal role. With gear set accordingly to each situation they can in fact do a very effective work. Its down to you to decide what suits you best. Druids, Shamans and Paladins have their jobs all very specifically directed - single target healers, HoT healers.... - thus it is easier for someone controlling them to do their job. A priest's work is harder since they have to choose the right spell for the right situation. I'm not saying that palas/sham/druids are bad players, just that they have less decisions to make.
Priests for PvP
-They are as healers very effective also, particulary Discipline-specced. 15% crowd control resist , fast casts, HoT casts, shields, make them very effective. And two things that make them unique: Mana Burn and Mass Dispell. They are both powerfull weapons to use.
-Comparisons? lets see. No other healer can shield as we can (blessings/divine shield on a tooooo high cooldown to count). Druids cant dispell magical effects. No other healer can mana burn. No other healer has a castable-on-friendly-targets Haste buff like we Discipline priests do. Pain Supression, a major damage reduction buff, same case. No one else can dispell Divine Shield, when we can and at 0 mana cost on a lower cooldown than the shield itself.
-On the downside, the truth is that our survivability is weaker than a druid, shamman or paladin's is. Paladins, wearing Plate, are well against meleers, and have their always good auras. Shamies wear mail, and shields, which also gives them great melee defenses. Druids have an excelent mobility by their shapeshifts and by their capacity of healing over time so efficiently. We... on cloth, with close to no crowd controls , specially at lower level gears, are on some kind of trouble with some classes. This is balanced as your gear improves - Resilience is a way of balancing pvp, and heavy staminaloaded pvp gear as we have - but on lower levels you need some dodgy skills to be able to do your job efficiently.
Summary: Hard to master, and i sincerly wouldnt suggest you to start World of Warcraft as a priest, since you're gonna have to face many game addicteds that cannot understand that wow is not all 10 hours a day players. but if you understand WoW mechanics well, and are familiarized with the skills you are provided, and you are on the right gear, you can in fact be outstanding, PvE and PvP wise. Its all down to reflexes, preparation, and understanding of your class. Priests are fun and varied, take profit of that!
Post by
Robyn
I hate seeing how Shamans, Druids, and Paladins have so many options and they are just as good healers as priest if not better. I really hope Blizz realizes the problem here and hooks us up in the expansion some how.
Well, I don't think it will be as better healers. The problem they have is they need enough healers to heal instance groups, and all of them have to be capable of doing the job. Hence all healers are created about equal, which governs the challenge level for the rest of the group ;)
But we're agreed that priests need more of a niche - AoE healing isn't enough. Paladins are the plate-and-bubble boys, Shamans have their ankh and buffs, what do priests have that compares?
Divine Hymn is a great addition, its like a half-way wipe protection, but one more spell on that order would be nice...
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