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Post by
JaxOmen
Me and 3 friends wanted to run BFD. These characters are all 20-21. We pubbed a fifth, a level 24 warlock.
Things went fine (the warlock was a bit dumb, kept pulling with immolate, making it tough for my warrior to get threat going, but we managed) until my brother got yanked away from his computer by my parents. So we were down a person.
"no problem" says the Warlock, "invite <friend's name>".
So, against my better judgement, I invite his friend, a huntard in every sense of the word. The dude would not let me pull, period. he'd constantly do it while I was marking, especially when I said "ok I'm going to line-of-sight pull this group, get behind the wall" (and yes, I spelled out line-of-sight because the first time the warlock didn't know what I meant when I said "LoS"). He did not use his pet half the time, it just idled while the fighting was going. He spent more than half of the time meleeing with his axe. I made no effort to pull aggro off him after a while but he just didn't die, so oh well (my girlfriend refused to heal him also, so I have no idea how he didn't die).
Eventually he just says "bye" and hearths. No problem, says the warlock, invite <name>. Again, against my better judgement, I do. Another huntard.
We were in the threshadon area at this point, and this huntard is like "ooh, have you guys killed <threshadon boss> yet?"
"no..."
so she jumps into the water and aggroes 3 threshadons. I should have let her die, but I'm too damned nice. I switched to battle stance, charged in and stance danced to defensive, threw out a TC and tanked the threshadons. We then went to fight the threshadon boss, got killed by an evade-glitching crab who hit us from 50yards away (no ****ing clue what happened there), and eventually killed the boss.
We left the boss' little cave and started to try to figure out how to get back onto the ground and continue with the instance. While we were trying to decide where to go, our warlock friend and the huntard go off in separate ways, aggro a bunch of mobs, and die.
At this point I'm more than fed up, kick them both, and my friends and I hearth. The warlock whispered me with "?" and I put him and his huntard friend on ignore.
Was I unreasonable? I feel I gave them more than enough fair chances to stop sucking.
Post by
Liquoid
Don't worry, he'll understand why you ignored him soon.. As he gets more experienced in instances, he'll eventually realise. I got kicked out of a group in Deadmines once because I kept hitting mobs which weren't marked "skull", breaking sheep, trying to need a blue polearm etc. I only realised fully
why
i got kicked the next day.
Post by
k0rr
no, perfectly in line. in fact you're nicer than i am.
i give everyone at most 3 strikes, and on days when im feeling a bit...impatient, i give people one strike. i hate the time it takes to do instances as they are, so when i instance i want it to be as speedy as possible.
however i was not one for running low-level instances (i only did them once for all its quests, didnt matter if my loot dropped or not) as i just want to hit 70 asap.
i'm not saying just kick all newbs and such, but the learning curve should be a lot easier than that. especially if you give instructions like "only attack skull" "please trap square". people who want to get better at this game usually do after making the same mistake once or twice, and i'm fine with that, but people who make the same mistake over and over again are almost always kicked from my groups.
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Post by
JaxOmen
Sorry, too much DotA messing with my terminology >_>
Post by
Valkyre
lol.. "pubbed" ... Anyways, it's your $15 too, if you feel you're wasting your time then it's for the best to just do what you did. I dropped a group last night after we were being ran through SFK by a 66 rogue. At first I was like "ah cool how nice of him" but as soon as we entered the instance he said he would do this if one of us got on our 70s and helped him level. lol But the last straw was when the priest says "I'm going afk for a minute please don't kill me n00bs". After that I was out, I don't have a lot of patience with groups anymore. :(
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Post by
JaxOmen
1) no, I did not bother to explain the intricacies of threat, tanking, pulls, etc. All I really said was "I need to pull and get a couple hits first so that I don't get ragestarved while trying to keep these things from killing you".
2) Nope, he wasn't drain tanking (I have a warlock, I know all about drain tanking). He just cast immolate and corruption on each mob and moved to the next, then lifetapped for mana and waited for my girlfriend to be nice and heal him.
3) If he didn't know what it meant, he should ask, not pull after I've already explained that I need to pull so I don't ragestarve.
4) I don't have a 70, I've never been in a heroic. I don't claim to be disciplined, but when I was a lowbie lock I certainly asked questions and listened when people told me things. He wasn't really the wipe-causer anyway, just frustrating. His friends were the wipe-inducers.
5) Yes, my girlfriend and her sister, in addition to myself, were extremely fed up with them. My girlfriend apparently would have kicked them both and called the run shortly after his first huntard friend showed up and did stupid things.
Post by
EvilScubaSteve
Couple of things here:
1) Did you take the time to explain to the warlock how to play in an instance? Not just a "wait 5 seconds before you attack" statement, but actually take the time to explain how tanking works, and threat, etc... He may have been a noob, and just didn't know he was doing anything wrong.
2) He may have been drain tanking - which is why he didn't die when attacked. It is a normal warlock soloing strat (which is the other reason I don't think he knew how to play with a group).
3) If someone told me they were donig a Line-of-Sight pull when I was lvl 24 on my first toon....I'd have no idea what it is and why you'd want to do it. Relates to +1 above.
4) Low level instances will always have wingnuts. 99% of the time, they don't lead to wipes because those instances are really really forgiving. It bothered me a bit on my first alt, but it doesn't anymore. Don't expect lvl 20 toons to be as discsiplined as a lvl 70 running heroics should be (even though there are wingnuts at that level too).
5) If it really gets to you, then you did the right thing. The point of the game is to have fun. If you weren't having fun, then you did the right thing.
/agree
EDIT: At work helping a customer and didn't see you respond. >.<
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pelf
The level of tolerance people have for idiots in WoW is almost inspiring to me sometimes. I would have never let it get that far.
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