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Post by
Arkohn
Just a few questions on talent builds for heroics:
1) What build is most viable for weakly / PVP geared warlocks?
2) Would DS SnF be viable at ~100 hit rating?
Thanks for the help!
Armory:
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Boulderfist&n=Arkohn
I also have Gloves of Arcane Acuity / Sun-infused Focus Staff / Frozen Shadoweave Shoulders that can be swapped in and out if that helps.
Post by
Blightman
Just a few questions on talent builds for heroics:
1) What build is most viable for weakly / PVP geared warlocks?
2) Would DS SnF be viable at ~100 hit rating?
Thanks for the help!
FG or affliction, for specific build read the
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Post by
Dunsinane
^^ What he said. Your crit is far too low for DS/SnF to be your PvE build of choice.
For heroics, 100 hit is overkill. The highest level mobs are only level 72, meaning the cap is 63. 202 spell hit is for raid bosses.
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Arkohn
Alright..that helped a little.
But can someone also answer my second question?
EDIT: Okay, thanks for the help guys :D.
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Post by
Dunsinane
^^ What he said. Your crit is far too low for DS/SnF to be your PvE build of choice.
For heroics, 100 hit is overkill. The highest level mobs are only level 72, meaning the cap is 63. 202 spell hit is for raid bosses.
This was incorrect, your crit is actually very high for switching to SnF/DS.Don't know what armory you're looking at. I'm seeing 16% crit with 5/5 Demonic Tactics included. That's definitely short for DS/SnF.
Protip - when someone is geared in PvP Dreadweave, their cirt % is going to be very low.
Most builds take into affect the + 8% crit from the destruction talents. You will find most warlocks SnF specced have a 23-26% crit rate AFTER talents, meaning 14-16% before talents is norm.
Which means he would be at 19% crit in DS/SnF. You're contradicting yourself.
You will need to work on your spell hit to 202 for raiding, but your damage and crit rate is more then adequate to switch over; and you will notice a large DPS increase in heroics.
Running him in his current spec vs 0/21/40 in Warcrafter shows a 160dps increase in his shadow bolt damage. The felguard will easily make up the difference in most heroic fights.
Also, his question was about running heroics, not raiding. Not the same thing. Until he decides whether or not he wants to move on to 10- and 25-man raids, extra spell hit will do him no good.
FG is a very weak spec for anythng other then PVP and grinding to 70.
I'll let our local felguard enthusiasts handle this one. ;-)
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Post by
Arkohn
Okay so I respecced FG for a couple of heroics today and found that my DPS output was quite nice. I don't think I'll be changing soon.
But as Dunsinane brought up..
Also, his question was about running heroics, not raiding. Not the same thing. Until he decides whether or not he wants to move on to 10- and 25-man raids, extra spell hit will do him no good.
When would DS SnF be the most viable? I mean, what hit rating, spell crit, and spell damage would see that DS SnF outdpses any other raiding spec?
Thanks a bunch.
Post by
LookOut
Demonlogy, as it is, currently sucks for raiding. No questions here. Affliction offers utility, Destruction better DPS ( properly geared) and Demonlogy has...improved imp and improved healthstone, and on a handful of fights Soul link has it's uses.
Don't judge a tree by it's bottom tiers please. Soul Link gives us 5% damage increase, having Master Demonologist is awesome to say the least (and makes a demonologist very versatile), Demonic Knowledge in combination with Fel Stamina and Fel Intellect gives quite some extra spell damage (and gives your pet more AP), ... o, and ofc the felguard is an awesome pet :-p
It's true that the tree has a lot of trash talents too, I admit, but that makes it easier to choose the talents imo :-)
Post by
Blightman
Okay so I respecced FG for a couple of heroics today and found that my DPS output was quite nice. I don't think I'll be changing soon.
But as Dunsinane brought up..
Also, his question was about running heroics, not raiding. Not the same thing. Until he decides whether or not he wants to move on to 10- and 25-man raids, extra spell hit will do him no good.
When would DS SnF be the most viable? I mean, what hit rating, spell crit, and spell damage would see that DS SnF outdpses any other raiding spec?
Thanks a bunch.
A DS/SnF will do more DPS when your have 202 spell hit, 20% crit (talented), unbuffed(no DS) 1000 shadow damage.
The DPS margin is slight at that point but as you get more crit/spell damage it grows nicely. This is because of how poorly the FG's damage/crit/hit scales.
Post by
Blightman
FG is a very weak spec for anythng other then PVP and grinding to 70.
Demonlogy, as it is, currently sucks for raiding. No questions here. Affliction offers utility, Destruction better DPS ( properly geared) and Demonlogy has...improved imp and improved healthstone, and on a handful of fights Soul link has it's uses.
Just wrong. The deep talents are great,:
Demonic Tactics - 5% crit
Demonic Knowledge - spell damage boosted by pets INT+STAM
Master Dmeonloigst w/ FG - 5% bonus damage
Oh and a FG build doesn't have Improved Imp.
Until you get the spell hit/crit/spell damage to make destro feasible a FG build can easily out DPS affliction or destro as long as the FG stays alive.
Not saying all locks should play FG. If the play style doesn't suit you then stay affliction or gear up for destro. I personally don't like destro, too much like playing a mage. I have high hopes that affliction and demo will become on par with destro for raid in WoTLK.
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