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OscarDivine
I'll be honest, i'm starting to get worried about the state of the mage class come WotLK. It all seems to be hinging on winter's grasp...and if that makes it into the game at it's current form, it's a bit imba. In a choice between making mages over powered or under powered, which do you think blizzard is going to go with? :-/
Well, I certainly hope they make us imba but in honesty, they'll probably stick us somewhere in-between as usual. There's a lot of speculation about what will happen with Winter's Grasp, but nothing will be certain until the first updates post-Live WotLK. MY personal guess is that they'll change WG to make the target "considered frozen" but only to the originating caster, meaning that each mage will have to stack their own debuffs (which is not traditional for mages in WoW). That's what people seem to be talking about, but regardless, any changes will knock mages off the top rungs.
*crosses fingers* Here's hoping!
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OscarDivine
Well, they arent finished yet. Perhaps they wil add something or alter the trees to make it fair again. Lets just hope what we have seen so far isnt what wil be shipped.
I certainly hope you're not serious when you say that. In fact, if what we have right now IS shipped with the WotLK expansion, then Mages in frost spec will be the undisputed kings of DPS. Not even a Warrior with titan's grip and windfury will touch us.
Post by
Lasui
Ragnaros could be frozen actually =)
Post by
nickseng
Well, they arent finished yet. Perhaps they wil add something or alter the trees to make it fair again. Lets just hope what we have seen so far isnt what wil be shipped.
I certainly hope you're not serious when you say that. In fact, if what we have right now IS shipped with the WotLK expansion, then Mages in frost spec will be the undisputed kings of DPS. Not even a Warrior with titan's grip and windfury will touch us.
Well, seeing it's because Windfury totem has been nerfed. :)
And that's when you start overtaking the tanks threat. :P
We really need to see how they are planning on changing the threat system (which they said they are)
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OscarDivine
After skimming this thread briefly i think i have a fairly well put together answer to the worry of "frost mages' not being able to raid anymore"
In my opinion frost is the best spec for raiding, not 17/0/44 as most frost mages are these days. But 40/0/21. In my humble opinion it is the best possible raid spec. Grab a little bit of mana regen on your gear, put points in Arcane Medetation, Use Mage armor, and my Dr.Damage (useful addOn) says i need to cast...55 frostbolts without using a gem, evocation, or mana potion before i need to use any of those things to continue the fight. With an average hit of 1510-1650 and crit of 3520-3636 i would say a total of 111036 damage is a hell of a lot for just under 2 minutes of casting. I dont know about you but frost has given me the upper hand on the damage meters in all of the raids i have done lately. I suggest you all give it a shot as well.
Well this thread isn't currently a thread about raiding NOW as a frost mage, it's about raiding in WotLK as a frost mage. The spec you currently have there is really an arcane spec, not frost, but it's certainly viable. I personally use the Frost-Meditation spec and throw an average Frostbolt Cast of 2200-5000 damage per hit regular-crit.
Mathematically, fire has been theory-crafted to do more damage, but then, that's just numbers and not execution. It's great to see a brother from another mother though. ;-) holla
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OscarDivine
Oscar, i was serious. im worried because it seems WG is all that separates us from doom of becoming insanely underpowered and getting by. And i can guarantee classes wil find a way to get out of WG in pvp(im worried about the future for frost pvp as well). So yes, i do hope they alter the trees and i do hope this isnt what gets shipped. Right now, the power of the mage is looking very unstable.
The way I see it with WG,it's a PVE talent. There are enough ways to actually freeze a target in PVP, though I'm sure that WG would be helpful. Many of us DO seem to think that The future of Mages in WoW in WotLK depends on this talent and how it turns out, so you're not alone in being worried. When you say that we'll be "getting by" I think you're underestimating the potential to this debuff. It may pull frost mages to a quite unfair advantage in comparison to most other DPS. We'll basically become Crit machines that won't run out of mana.
EDIT: CHECK ME OUT!!! Just broke 400 Posts!!! /cheer @ Oscar!
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Aarpia
Acording to the beta information frostfire bolt is shaping up nicely. Low base damage, but stacks with almost everything in frost and fire (yes, that means 280% crits). Even better - it procs winter's grasp. So stand there spamming FFbolt til WG procs with a spec like
this
, then lob in a cheeky icelance. Et viola - you pwn.
Edit: It's even possible to get 350% (!!!!!!!!) crits with 2/2 spell power, 5/5 ignite and 5/5 ice shards via
this buid
.
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Post by
Skyfire
Ragnaros could be frozen actually =)
Small correction: Ragnaros
can already be frozen
.
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Post by
nickseng
Winter's grasp no longer exist. Try
Fingers of Frost.
Post by
Morguean
From what i've seen from WOTLK, frost raiding is out, because almost all the new talents, and the new move require a frozen target, and as we know, no boss can be frozen, unless they change that, let me know what you think
I cannot see making a spec useless, especially not with blizz trying to make everyone useful.
I also cannot see frost being useless in raids... what I can see, is maybe some people think for themselves instead of going with cookie cutter builds.
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Morguean
After skimming this thread briefly i think i have a fairly well put together answer to the worry of "frost mages' not being able to raid anymore"
In my opinion frost is the best spec for raiding, not 17/0/44 as most frost mages are these days. But 40/0/21. In my humble opinion it is the best possible raid spec. Grab a little bit of mana regen on your gear, put points in Arcane Medetation, Use Mage armor, and my Dr.Damage (useful addOn) says i need to cast...55 frostbolts without using a gem, evocation, or mana potion before i need to use any of those things to continue the fight. With an average hit of 1510-1650 and crit of 3520-3636 i would say a total of 111036 damage is a hell of a lot for just under 2 minutes of casting. I dont know about you but frost has given me the upper hand on the damage meters in all of the raids i have done lately. I suggest you all give it a shot as well.
i currently raid as a 0/0/61 frost mage. havent seen any issue with damage lacking, nor from bosses being immune to my frosty stuff. I also havent had nearly the mana problems other specs tend to have.
now thats CURRENT, of course
I consider things like
http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?spell=44544
and naturally the deep freeze ability a major plus for frosties.
I dont currently see an issue.... now as soon as blizz sends me my wotlk beta thingy i'll go test it on my current frost mage
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Thorium+Brotherhood&n=Patron
sure, hes a 70, with 61 points in frost, but lemme tell ya, its fun. At any rate I would love to see what a deep frost tree could do in WOTLK, as is as soon as the game comes out I will continue to level Patron as frost, and barring any issues like friggin SFK's werewolves being immune to frost damage, i'll be ok
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Blightman
i went over to my friends house to try out his lok in bgs. he told me, "just press that macro there to sic the pet on him and cast corruption, immolate, and curse of agony. then clik fear and start life draining and u wil own everyone. o, and dont forget to use soul drain right before they die, thats the hard part of being a lok." i did just that and I was pretty decent.
FACT.
And although Immolate does have a casting time, and both corruption and CoA initiate the GCD... the essence of what you said is correct.
Non-Destro Lock= Easymode.
And to Nefarion, because you'll probably lurk this post, too... yes, playing a lock well does take skill, but really (and let's be honest) only at high-end raiding and pvp. Those locks chewing people up with SL/SL in bgs and 1700 rating arenas aren't necessarily any good, and the ones spamming SoC or SB and riding the raid probably aren't that great, either.
Where were the Rogues, Warriors in Zerker stance, and big red BM hunters/pets to laugh at the fear and chew up the lock when he cast his big green signal flare. No one has the anti-fear trinket? And no one dispells/decurses the locks targets?
Sounds like you are comparing bad players vs bad players.
9/10 in BGs locks are 1st to be targeted and killed.
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