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MrFredII
LOL at people thinking you need to gear up for Kara. It's not that damn hard, it's an instance with training wheels meant to introduce people to raiding and get them some gear. Stop trying to make it this hard instance where elitist pricks won't accept anyone who isn't geared up.
If you've got someone with PvP gear in your Kara group... Elitist Raider REJOICE!!! You've got them into the raiding mentality. If you believe all that crap about PvEers being "better, smarter, etc"... then be happy you've got a new person to join your ranks. They aren't doing that PvP thing you hate so much. Sheesh.
The real problem is that people whether primarily PvP or PvE all view Kara as a badge farm and want everyone in t4/t5 gear so that they can get their 22 badges and exalted rep in 45 mins. These are the same people who bitch about ending up grouped with people who can't play their class. I guess they were all born knowing how to play...
Well worry not everything will get fixed in WotLK.
Now about that bridge I have for sale...
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Merik
where is this thread going? I really don't know
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snub999
Does anyone even care about the journey or adventure of this game anymore? Progression is a huge factor in this game, that no one seems to care about these days. It's all about which gear you have or how you got it. Where has all the fun gone?
I feel so much pride after downing a boss I have not yet downed. I don't care if I get a piece of the cake after. I just want to be at the party. If i get some cake then /cheer for me but that's not why I am here.
What many people don't understand is that most of the players that play this game don't have the schedule to raid, so they PvP. Grinding BG's for countless weeks and months becomes so very boring. Sure you have your ups and downs but the only thing to look forward to is that next purchase. While a PvE Raider gets to see a whole new fight that they only see in dreams.
I PvP because I don't have time to PvE.
PvE Raiders need to chill. They are of a few that will ever see end game content. I as a PvPer am jealous of the PvE raider.
As am I. I'm currently in a guild with only 4 70's (Two of them being mine) and I've never run SSC, Kara or any of that. I simply do not have the means to run these dungeons and raids with the guild I have. Without the necessary means to run raids, PvP gear is my only chance of "decent" gear. (Decent being used loosely, there is pve greens that are "decent"). I get the gear to be well equipped enough to fight other players wearing the same PvP gear when I start killing their guards and other NPC's at their town. The whole aspect of fun is just sapped from this game by hardcore raiders. Planning and coordination smells suspiciously like work, except this job is fictional. To say that pvp requires no work or concentration is just as bad as the typical "<class> is SO Overpowered!"
And to be honest, I am also envious of PvE and their sweet loots from the raids I will never go on. I'm not stealing your spot in the raid group.
If "welfare" epics are so easy to get, why doesn't every 70 have the full set? The "chance to drop" balances evenly with the time it takes to earn a pvp piece. Yes, that's right, I said earn.
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Angelyne
LOL at people thinking you need to gear up for Kara. It's not that damn hard, it's an instance with training wheels meant to introduce people to raiding and get them some gear. Stop trying to make it this hard instance where elitist pricks won't accept anyone who isn't geared up.
Hallelujah!. Yesterday there was someone on LFG trying to put together a Kara run and they specifically said "Don't bother me if you have any blues or pvp gear.
That kind of elitist attitude really gets me and unfortunately is the norm on Cenarius. I wonder if all those elitist pricks were decked out in all purple their first run into Kara. But I guess it doesn't matter because it's all about them and who gives a crap about anyone else, especially not the new 70 who is just starting out. Nevermind that the noob will probably remember that you included them even though you weren't made of awesome like you, and might out of gratitude if nothing else, fill a spot one day when you can't find enough people.
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Angelyne
TBH the thing that ^&*!es me off really is the people who come to BGs in greens/blues and not even 1 welfare epic or PvE epic. You just know they're gonna be munched by some S3 warrior in 2 secs flat.
Surely it'd be better use of everyones time if they sat honor farming in AV, rather than taking up a spot in a 10-15 grp and wasting a spot for the team.
Anyone share this view or it just me?
That's just another version of the "don't come to Kara unless you aren't all decked out in PvE purples." It's elitist crapola. Sure gear is important but so is skill and even more important, willingness. I'll take an undergeared person who is trying hard to play the game over some stupid afk jackass all decked out in purple.
Sure gear is important for survivability and dps, but that doesn't mean that a player in all green/blues can't be useful, if they are aren't acting like a retard. As a feral that's still working on gear, I might not be able to take people one on one, but I sure as hell can stealth, pounce, cyclone, throw a heal or a remove curse and generally make myself useful to the TEAM. The team being a concept that's mostly forgotten in the BG's in favor of the "I'm rambo, I can take on anyone attitude".
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PTsICU
Who invited all the QQ'ers from the official forums over here??? >,<
OP, if'n ya don't like it......>>>>> thar's the door. It's a game.....
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Angelyne
karahzan stat requirements are exactly that, requirements. if you dont meet them, you are going to be dead weight in the group and will probably hold them back from completeling the whole thing. do you simple minded people who cant understand why kara groups get anal understand that? we arent necessarily looking for a crack team that has all epics and has done it a million times, but for the love of success look into what you need to actually do well in a heroic or karazhan. .
So you are telling us that the first time you went to Kara you were all decked out in epics? Obviously when you started someone gave you a chance. I guess that's all in the dim past now.
And sure there are requirements, and the web is full of advice on how to meet them. But for the elitist prigs on my server meeting the requirements isn't good enough.The attitude that I have been seeing on my server is exactly as you described. Don't bother unless you are all decked out in epics and no, pvp epics don't count.
And you can't tell me that a strong group can't carry a slightly undergeared player that's not playing a critical role in the raid.
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Post by
MrFredII
wow dude, no where in my post did i say anything about epics. you can meet the base requirements with out any epics actually. and, fyi, the first time i went to kara i was not decked in purples. i might have had one purple from a heroic and maybe the glad shoulders. i did, however, meet the requirements that i saw online. by no means was i carried either. my guild had just started doing scheduled karas and most of them had never been to kara before.
if there are people on your server that require all epics when they look for pugs, who cares. they can ask for whatever they want. if they are doing a "badge run" that should be enough info for any undergearred person to not even reply.
Your statement that epics are not required to meet minimum kara requirements is true on some of the online lists. Unfortunately with the availability of badge and "filler" PvP gear, most kara groups have an inflated expectation of minimum requirements. This flies in the face of the fact that blizzard has decreased the difficulty of Kara, and that Kara is the entry level raid for level 70. This is not an isolated expectation of a few pugs nor limited to "badge runs". If you look around you'll see statements like "spellfire/spellstrike are good pre-kara gear" or suggestions that someone should spend time grinding BGs for various PvP epics. Recommendations on line (using mages as an example) that "early Kara" can be attempted with 600 SD, 100 Spell hit and 21% crit but for the last half of Kara you need 800 SD, hit cap, and 25% crit are absurd but common.
As in your case my first trips into Kara (shortly after BC release) were in quest blues and a few greens. There was no badge gear nor grindable PvP epics and many people were not yet revered to run most heroics. So we went with what we had after all we were more interested in raiding than gear grinding, over time the gear took care of itself.
Mindsets are very different now. People can't be bothered to work as a group to raise the entire raids gear until they have little choice (late T5 and T6). It will be interesting to see how this plays out in WotLK. The interpersonal dynamics of this are way to complex to forecast, but if reaching 80 also provides gear that is more than barely adequate for the entry level raid instance and that instance provides a solid rapid gear ramp to prepare for the follow on raids things could be good. If there are many impediments to raid entry that are adequately met by T6 so that the the gear bar remains high and hard for most the achieve the portents are less favorable.
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Post by
Kikt
To me, welfare means easy epics. Why do I say easy epics? Because I once saw a level 68 paladin on my horde server gain 20k honor a day by farming AV. I assumed she used a bot, because not only did she appear AFK in front of the battle master, but I often saw her in war-room at night and in nagrand during the day -- leveling up.
The next few days I see she's leveled up to 69, she's still got an average of 19-20k honor points a day. Great, either she's awesome at avoiding danger in AV or she's botting. Anyway that's not the point.
When she dinged 70 (and I don't know exactly when...) I managed to see her, about a few weeks later with full s1 (pre S4) healing pvp gear. Everything from necklace to non-set epic boots, bracers, trinkets etc.
Just a few weeks ago she was straddling around in her questing gear. Now she's full epic. Moral of the story? You tell me, but I wasn't feeling very proud of my 2-3 epics I had
earned
from Karazhan.
Post by
LoyalWolf
they r not welfare epix -.- they take hours and hours of work to get.
they r good to get like some1 here said ( 2 lazy to remember/qoute them) so u can move on to getting s3 in arena or raid in kara
personaly i lol at raiding... dps-wise anyway... sit there and press buttuns yay
unlike arena/bg where u jump around and fight and try to stay alive
tanks and healers i luv u guys i ahve tank/healer alts its more complicated than dps... i did a whole kara with 1 hand its amazingly easy as a dps -.-
o and keyboard turners fail at pvp its fun as hell to kite them xD
(that was pretty offtopic but my mind wanders srry)
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