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Post by
Adamsm
Given how butt-hurt the Classic-haters are nowButt hurt? For pointing out the flaws that existed in Vanilla that the Classic lovers gloss over? Okay then.
Look, let's break it down the simplest way:
Oh, you like the Druid class? Hope you like to heal, because Bear and Cat don't work, and Boomkin was awful.
Oh, you like your warrior? Yeah, all you are doing is tanking; can't do any dps with arms or fury cause again, said specs are broken.
Oh, you like to be a Hunter? Have fun as Marks, cause Survival was sub-par melee things and Beasts was meh.
Oh, you like your Paladin? Yeah, you are just there to buff people every 5 minutes and throw out heals; tankadins and retadins were, you guessed it, broken.
Those were the main ones of course, but it was true that only one spec was actually 'worthwhile' in the eyes of raiders and that was the only thing allowed to go. And before some brings up the cross trees...that didn't happen till BC and Wrath; at 60 you didn't have enough talents. And speaking of the talents, enjoy spending your talents on useless skills and buffs to reach the next rank.
But again, I don't see Classic actually making it to live, or if it does, it'll last for 6 months before it goes down. Because what people aren't thinking of is pretty simple; what patch is this going to be? Will be it the final patch of the game before it rolled over to BC? Or will it be an earlier patch; for a blast from the past, go read the old notes and you'll see a lot of stuff that wasn't added in. After all, the point of a 'Classic' realm would be to lock it to a specific patch and that's it for the rest of it; no new content, no new items, no new nothing. Oh, and I hope you don't like Transmog, pets, or a wide variety of mounts....cause you don't get any of that in Vanilla; you do get the faction mounts, but have fun with the cloth turn in grind on that one :D And of course, have fun carrying all of your mounts and pets with you if you do like to collect them, because they were actual items way back when :D
Post by
Jkpman
Given how butt-hurt the Classic-haters are nowButt hurt? For pointing out the flaws that existed in Vanilla that the Classic lovers gloss over? Okay then.
Look, let's break it down the simplest way:
Oh, you like the Druid class? Hope you like to heal, because Bear and Cat don't work, and Boomkin was awful.
Oh, you like your warrior? Yeah, all you are doing is tanking; can't do any dps with arms or fury cause again, said specs are broken.
Oh, you like to be a Hunter? Have fun as Marks, cause Survival was sub-par melee things and Beasts was meh.
Oh, you like your Paladin? Yeah, you are just there to buff people every 5 minutes and throw out heals; tankadins and retadins were, you guessed it, broken.
Even with this you are giving some classes more credit that they actually had in Vanilla. Assuming Blizzard do an accurate representation of Vanilla.
I mean you just wouldn't take a hunter on a raid unless absolutely necessary and then only for tranq shot because their dps was pathetic.
Priest - Healer and the best healer throughout Vanilla.
Druid - Healer - Innervate me brah
Shaman - Healer and Totems
Mage - Portals, Food, oh and Dps
Warlock - Summons and Healthstones, gets better later on with Shadowbolt spam
Warrior - Tank the best throughout Vanilla
Paladin - Buffs
Rogue - Combat Dps
Hunter - Probably the lowest Dps, useful for Hunters Mark, yeah debuff slots, remember those?
My memory might be a bit off here but I think we usually took around 4 tanks and 8-10 healers to MC, sometimes more. and of course there were no Horde Paladins or Alliance Shaman back then.
Anyway to the best of my memory, this is what you have to choose from as a raid role.
Given how butt-hurt the Classic-haters are now, I can only imagine how many tears they will shed when Classic goes live and /trade is full of chat talking about
how awesome it is
. Ah, salty tears — I can almost taste them now. ;^)
Butt Hurt? Salty Tears? How edgy!
Nobody is butt hurt, It's a wait and see moment for everyone, because as of now we just don't know how "classic" classic will be. If it's accurate then it will be from the point of view of many who played it, awful, compared to today. However if they keep a lot of quality of life aspects of the game, then it's just not going to be classic, and that will be glossing over some of the truly awful things about real Vanilla.
Again you mention numbers of how many people you think will rush back to the game, and again I have to point out that even if accurate 50k European players or 50k US players were actually stealing the game, and it's a totally different thing to actually buy something and play it.
I don't doubt that some will repurchase or resub, but again many will just find something else to pirate.
Finally I hope I am wrong and that the entitled spoiled players of today love the rough and ready Vanilla experience, and that it brings back some of the community spirit, but I too clearly remember the faults with the game and was more than happy to move on to greener pastures. Something that I think some other in this thread just want to ignore or simply just didn't experience.
Post by
civgw
Again you mention numbers of how many people you think will rush back to the game, and again I have to point out that even if accurate 50k European players or 50k US players were actually stealing the game, and it's a totally different thing to actually buy something and play it.
I don't doubt that some will repurchase or resub, but again many will just find something else to pirate.
Of course the only reason they are playing a pirated game is because Blizzard wouldn't listen to them. Nost only existed, because there was no other option for people who wanted a Blizzlike Vanilla server. Nost surveyed their players and found that only 10% were on Nost because of the cost of subscribing to ordinary WoW, so I don't think cost has any bearing on whether people from private servers will play. The private server that took over from Nost has already announced that they will shut down when Blizzard comes up with what they promised.
Just another example of Jkpman insulting people, who dare to hold a different view on things from Jkpman. The reallly sad thing is that he/she knows nothing about the legacy server scene and yet he/she has the gall to say people who actually know what the legacy server scene is all about are in denial.
The people who played vanilla and want to play it again do so precisely because they remember what it was warts and all. Nobody who played Vanilla could possibly not remember what it was like. They know it didn't have the present day easy mode. They know it was much harder than the game is in general now. They know about the corpse runs, the running everywhere, the lack of money, limited spec choices for endgame etc. They remember all that but still want to play.
How can you not grasp that? Why do you continue to insult people who know exactly what they are getting into?
Post by
Adamsm
The people who played vanilla and want to play it again do so precisely because they remember what it was warts and all. Nobody who played Vanilla could possibly not remember what it was like. They know it didn't have the present day easy mode. They know it was much harder than the game is in general now. They know about the corpse runs, the running everywhere, the lack of money, limited spec choices for endgame etc. They remember all that but still want to play. But it wasn't hard...it was just tedious. Honestly, when most people talk about the 'highest point of WoW' they refer to Wrath; and my own feeling is that those people who remember Wrath are going to flock to the Classic server because to them it's going to be like that: The multi-spec trees, the lower level mounts, the more playable classes....and then they'll get crushed by the Vanilla tedium and bail out, and seeing those numbers drop will probably cause Blizzard to pull the plug on Classic servers and declare them not cost effective.
Look, I played Vanilla; for it's time, yes it was the MMO to beat...and it's been beaten by the newer expansions and patches. Stagnation kills games, and to me that is all Classic servers will do is, is cause stagnation because there is no growth in them.
So, we'll wait till Battle's Beta is out, because that would be when they do Classic server testing as well; if it's not there, then I guess like Path of Titans, the Dance Studio and other promised features that never materialized, the Classic server will be gone.
Post by
Jkpman
Just another example of Jkpman insulting people, who dare to hold a different view on things from Jkpman. The reallly sad thing is that he/she knows nothing about the legacy server scene and yet he/she has the gall to say people who actually know what the legacy server scene is all about are in denial.
Really? you keep trying to say I'm insulting people, again I ask you how? Are you somehow under the impression that because a few thousand people steal a product it's okay? I'm assuming you object to me using the term stealing, for the act of well, stealing a product? That's not an insult buddy it's a harsh truth you seem unable to handle.
Thin skin aside, you also seem to think everyone using a pirate server (lets call it what it is) is a loyal fan, which is far from the truth, give someone a game for free and they'll play it.
I have never denied that there is a large and loyal base of Vanilla players, but I am trying to get through to you that of course there will be a drop off because there are still many players who won't or can't pay Blizzard to play the retail game.
You reckon the pirate game has 100k players across the EU and NA. (and I'm sure many more in Asia where I suspect much of the revenue will come because we tend to discount them due to language barriers)
Even if every single one of the pirate population suddenly decide to pay for the game, that's nothing in terms of revenue. Yes there will be a spike because they will most likely need to rebuy the game up to BFA. (I suspect with Blizz Legacy will require the latest xpac to play)
But really your 100k (which will be much less obviously) is nothing, SWTOR has more than that and that is pretty much dead.
How can you not grasp that? Why do you continue to insult people who know exactly what they are getting into?
Quit with the being insulted crap, If I insulted you, you'd know it.
Where have I failed to grasp the reason for your piracy? Seriously where? I understand some people want a game to stay the same, I understand that for everyone stuck in the Vanilla game, there are just as many who want BC, Wrath, Good lord even Cata.
The comprehension problem comes on your side, again, I am saying what should be basic logic, A free stolen version of an AAA title is always going to attract people who can't or won't pay a subscription. These people will not abandon the pirate servers, even if they shut down, these guys will go play something else.
Yes there will be a loyal base of players who will go back, but I don't think it will as many as you think.
And it will not be the same, that much is for certain.
Oh one more thing, I'm not sure you can answer this, but do you know how many people who currently pirate WoW have:-
1. Played the retail upto and including Legion or
2. Quit when things changed in expansion X and just never went back?
and
3. How many people have never experienced the retail version? (I don't mean trials, or playing for a month or so, more have actually sat and played for decent length of time)?
I'm interested if possible to understand how many people really play pirate servers due to some outrage against the direction the game has taken, or whether it's a case of "hey it's free"
Hope you can help here as you claim to understand the community.
Post by
civgw
Ah more insults - a sure sign that you've won the argument when they resort to insults and try to defect away from the argument (I my country it would be called an Oh look there's a squirrel post. Trump is doing that now with his tweets about Clinton and Russia to deflect from his own Russian problems).
While you enjoy calling people pirates it has nothing to do with people playing Blizzards Classic reboot. I have already explained that only 10% of the people playing left WoW because of the cost. I could have played WoD for free for some time due to the amount of gold I had, but I didn't because it was too easy and boring. I don't know if ftp through gold continued into Legion, because I wasn't that interested and I only lasted a month as it was worse than WoD.
Here is a shortened version of the post mortem survey of 50000 Nostalrius players before the shutdown - it is the community analysis bit.
https://mega.nz/#
!cB53VKSY!mHuGuldYKpcfvlwim6vMUKinOXlkAEO4BsWEN2g7dQk (I hope it works, I haven't done this on here for a long time)
Some key points:
Most players between 20 and 25 years old.
Most frequent numbers of years playing official game is 10 years.
Only 10% currently subscribed to WoW (at the time of Nost shutdown)
Most frequent reasons for not playing WoW are Game changed or No longer fun.
Over 70% would play for more than a year on a Legacy realm.
This is the document that Nost presented to Blizzard and it contains the above community analysis section.
http://docdro.id/flUbn6G
Post by
Jkpman
Ah more insults
I'm not sure that word means what you think it means.
But thanks for the info.
And whilst you talk about deflection, or misdirection please tell me where and how you consider what I have said an insult, I keep asking you to tell me what it is you find insulting yet you constantly fail to come up with a response.
Post by
Rankkor
Neither; no point in getting excited for Classic because it's going to get canned just like Path of the Titans did....plus, the servers will be ghost towns in about a month or two as people realize just what Vanilla was like.
As for Battle; we've seen it....multiple times; the factions will fight, some big bad comes along to unite us, same stuff we've already done; Battle is pretty much Cataclysm 2.0 from what it seems like.
Jesus dude.- Cut out the pessimism and nihilism, you're gonna end up giving yourself an ulcer.
As for myself, I'm not very hyped for classic servers. Classic wow had its time and its place, and while I miss some of the content that is no longer accessible (Such as the original versions of Zul'gurub, Deadmines, Scarlet Monastery, Shadowfang Keep, some of the original questlines like Tirion's backstory on WPL, and the defias storyline on westfall) on the whole, I for one, Don't miss vanilla.
At all. For all its wonders, the game had also a tremendous amount of flaws and issues that I am not looking forward to experiencing again.
At most, I'll likely pay it a brief visit, soak in the nostalgia, and then more than likely just get out. The only thing that MAY incentivize me to put any real effort in it, is if the Original Naxxramas is there, and any equipment piece obtained there is added to the account-wide mog collection-. Not getting the Corrupted Ashbringer has been one of my biggest regrets in the game.
Post by
Adamsm
At most, I'll likely pay it a brief visit, soak in the nostalgia, and then more than likely just get out. The only thing that MAY incentivize me to put any real effort in it, is if the Original Naxxramas is there, and any equipment piece obtained there is added to the account-wide mog collection-. Not getting the Corrupted Ashbringer has been one of my biggest regrets in the game.
Can't see that happening; after all, the 3.0 Naxx items are up on the Black Market AH and are meant to be gold sinks. If they made it so that you did the Classic content and got either mogs or BoA items, then a section of the player group would feel 'obligated' to go back and do it again. Plus, the skin for Corrupted Ashbringer is in the live game...just for Pallys only for the artifact.
Post by
Rankkor
At most, I'll likely pay it a brief visit, soak in the nostalgia, and then more than likely just get out. The only thing that MAY incentivize me to put any real effort in it, is if the Original Naxxramas is there, and any equipment piece obtained there is added to the account-wide mog collection-. Not getting the Corrupted Ashbringer has been one of my biggest regrets in the game.
Can't see that happening; after all, the 3.0 Naxx items are up on the Black Market AH and are meant to be gold sinks. If they made it so that you did the Classic content and got either mogs or BoA items, then a section of the player group would feel 'obligated' to go back and do it again.
That's why I prefaced everything with a big fat "IF".
At this point, almost nothing is known about the classic servers, other than they are coming. 99% of all the questions made about them at blizzcon were answered with "we can't talk about that yet".
Are they going to be free? or paid?
Will they start at brand zero launch patch? or the last patch prior to TBC launch?
Will it include all the bugs, glitches, and design flaws from vanilla for a more authentic experience? Or be polished to the higher modern standards of gaming these days?
Will gear, mounts, pets, tabards, and other collectibles obtained there be added to the collection tab? or be specifically locked there? Can we access anything from the collection tab while in a vanilla server?
Will they require a different client download? or work just fine with our current client?
There's too many unknowns, and the fact that they couldn't answer almost anything asked about them, leads me to believe that these servers wont even make it live for BfAs launch. Which is something blizzard itself sorta teased, by saying that classic servers are not tied to any specific expansion pack (meaning: Don't automatically expect them to be released concurrently with legion, or BfA, or even whatever comes after BfA.)
All that anyone knows is that: They're coming.
As for blizzard canceling the feature, that's unlikely dude, they hired an entirely new team to work on it (To avoid diverting resources from the main wow game on it), and it would be a colossal waste of time, money and resources to just scrap a feature just because of a hiccup or two. Worst case scenario, classic servers can get delayed, if crap hits the fan (And it likely will, we're talking about adapting a 15 year old game to modern systems and rigs, not as easy as it sounds). But they ARE coming.
Plus, the skin for Corrupted Ashbringer is in the live game...just for Pallys only for the artifact.
I'm a death knight, not a paladin, so what good does that do to me?. That's why I said that IF the original naxxramas is there, and IF any gear obtained is added to the collection tab, MAYBE I'll get tempted to put any real effort on vanilla.
Maybe. Sorta. Depends a lot on what answers they provide to the above-mentioned questions.
Post by
Rankkor
Welcome to Battle for Azeroth Patch 8.1: Entitled
Joined Channel:
Joined Channel:
Joined Channel:
: anybody else having problems with opening trade windows?
: yeah, new patch breaks trade if you have more than 8,999,999 gold
: that's retarded
: just mail some money to an alt
: no point, all my other alts are gold capped as well
: well, just buy a bunch of overpriced garbage on the AH to get rid of some
: good idea, thanks!
: ok, done. bought a few million g worth of for 10k a stack
: didn't realise it would be so cheap today
: yeah, it's cheap on mondays, more expensive on the weekend
: what are you guys doing with all your spare legendaries? void storage?
: not worth it - just vendor them
: sure?
: you'll get a couple more once raids unlock tomorrow, so yeah
: good point
: or install something like the VendorIt add-on to do it for you - saves a bit of time
: i've already got VendorIt installed... think that's what keeps gold capping me
: there should be an add-on that auto-dumps gold to keep you a couple of million under under the cap
: hey guys, what's the warrior tank rotation for the new raid?
: 1 1 3 1 5 4
: is that the same as the last raid?
: no - it changed - last one was 1 1 2 1 5 3
: oh ffs, I wish Blizz would stop changing things
: its hard enough to tank these things as it is without having to update rotation macros
: you have to click LFR, wait 10 seconds, and the raid itself takes at least 8 minutes
: aint nobody got time for that
: Stormwind is under attack!
: well, at least you don't need to talk to anyone anymore
: lol - yeah, good thing they let tanks mute the whole raid...
: all those tossers wanting to talk tactics and #$%&
: I also like how the healers get auto-kicked now whenever anyone dies
: this ^
: it really pissed me off having to actually move during fights
: you're a healer, so heal or GTFO
: if you can't keep everyone alive then don't queue
: new player, looking for guild
: #$%& off noob
: lol
Pass.
Wow, I have no idea what game is that, but world of warcraft sure isn't.
I don't have 9 million gold. I've never had 9 million gold. I've never come even close to a single million, let alone 9.
When it comes to legendaries, I have exactly 4, obtained throughout the entirety of the whole expansion. I have 1 on on of my alts, and that's about it. What's that nonsense of getting 4 in a single week? Just FYI, the legion style of legendaries is not going to make it to BfA, meaning we'll likely go back to an expansion-wide quest to obtain one.
And its clear you've not done any modern raid in any difficulty other than perhaps LFR if that's what you think raiding is like. Here's a hint: Heroic and Mythic modes are hard. REALLY hard.
This
, is one of the hardest bosses in vanilla. He was nicknamed "The Guild-breaker" because of how insanely hard he was. He has exactly SIX abilities total.
This guy
is from the same raid as Vael. This is a boss from the "hardcore" game you claim is SO much better than the dumbed down casual game wow has become. He has exactly 3 skills. two of which are only for the tanks and the rest of the raid has to worry about only one of them.
This
is the hardest boss right now. He has over 17 abilities and over a dozen mechanics to watch out for and master if you want to beat him.
Lastly, read the mod-box on your post.(##RESPBREAK##)8##DELIM##Rankkor##DELIM##
Post by
Adamsm
All that anyone knows is that: They're coming.And that's why I have a feeling it's not going to make it past a Beta test at most.
Post by
Jkpman
The only thing that MAY incentivize me to put any real effort in it, is if the Original Naxxramas is there, and any equipment piece obtained there is added to the account-wide mog collection-. Not getting the Corrupted Ashbringer has been one of my biggest regrets in the game.
I hope so in a way, but then again once it is in the classic game it will be there for good, meaning it will be on farm. I don't see it happening because again they'd have to allow a transmog system or part of one into the build and that just isn't vanilla.
One of the reasons I don't think classic will be anything to write home about is things like this, These guys from the private servers have had years, probably nearly a decade of stagnant content where they can farm these same instances constantly, yet act like it's some holy grail of achievement.
The only barrier to that content is one wishes to do it is your boredom threshold and the tedious attunement process. I have never and will never play a private server, but one has to wonder how many people are parading around with Ashbringer like they've actually achieved something, well after 13 years you should have....
I don't have 9 million gold. I've never had 9 million gold. I've never come even close to a single million, let alone 9.
Sounds like some thinly veiled attempt at a boast to me, over half the attempt at humor/sarcasm/whatever the hell that was is spent bragging about how much gold he has. He may be Donald Trump in disguise. :D
All that anyone knows is that: They're coming.And that's why I have a feeling it's not going to make it past a Beta test at most.
No, I firmly believe it will be coming Soon (tm)
The backlash will be huge if they don't because it's not only the pirates who want it, a lot of the legit player base do to, at least to try.
Did original WoW ever get out of Beta? at times it sure didn't feel like it. Joking aside though, as Rankor said when we played Vanilla we were total noobs, Well I know I was and everyone around me, but we still managed to tackle most of the content because it wasn't difficult.
Now many of us are accomplished raiders, and those mechanics are laughable, we encounter world bosses and even rares in Legion with more mechanics.
I know these guys like to claim Legion is easy, which puzzles me immensely because Vanilla is easier, the biggest world boss in Vanilla is monotony and his minion boredom...no.. on second thoughts you are right, it's a wipe.
Can't see that happening; after all, the 3.0 Naxx items are up on the Black Market AH and are meant to be gold sinks
Yes but so are many pets, mounts etc which are still in the game and farming them is a huge time sink, the BMAH is just another way to obtain something with gold rather than putting in the time to farm etc.
Post by
Adamsm
Can't see that happening; after all, the 3.0 Naxx items are up on the Black Market AH and are meant to be gold sinks
Yes but so are many pets, mounts etc which are still in the game and farming them is a huge time sink, the BMAH is just another way to obtain something with gold rather than putting in the time to farm etc.
Difference is that it is removed content though; and since Transmog doesn't exist in Vanilla, adding it in wouldn't make it a 'true' Classic server :P
Post by
Jkpman
Can't see that happening; after all, the 3.0 Naxx items are up on the Black Market AH and are meant to be gold sinks
Yes but so are many pets, mounts etc which are still in the game and farming them is a huge time sink, the BMAH is just another way to obtain something with gold rather than putting in the time to farm etc.
Difference is that it is removed content though; and since Transmog doesn't exist in Vanilla, adding it in wouldn't make it a 'true' Classic server :P
Well yeah I said that, kind of. :p I hope so in a way, but then again once it is in the classic game it will be there for good, meaning it will be on farm. I don't see it happening because again they'd have to allow a transmog system or part of one into the build and that just isn't vanilla.
The thing is with the addition of Classic servers we would be entering a new dynamic, so all bets are off, If this venture is successful we very well may see a choice of leveling paths where one can toggle between classic or post Cata perhaps.
Post by
Adamsm
Ah but if they do that, they'll piss off the Classic Purists who don't want new things, merely the old.
Post by
civgw
Ah more insults
I'm not sure that word means what you think it means.
But thanks for the info.
And whilst you talk about deflection, or misdirection please tell me where and how you consider what I have said an insult, I keep asking you to tell me what it is you find insulting yet you constantly fail to come up with a response.
Oh so it's just a deflection this time.
You ask me some questions - no doubt expecting that I couldn't answer them. Well I answered them and you have no rebutal.
So you go back to talking about pirates. What they've got to do with a Classic reboot I've no idea.
Just face it you've lost.
Post by
Jkpman
Oh so it's just a deflection this time.
You ask me some questions - no doubt expecting that I couldn't answer them. Well I answered them and you have no rebutal.
So you go back to talking about pirates. What they've got to do with a Classic reboot I've no idea.
Just face it you've lost.
What is your problem?
I wasn't aware there was a competition, what exactly have I lost? I mean I genuinely asked you a question to try and engage you.
"I'm interested if possible to understand how many people really play pirate servers due to some outrage against the direction the game has taken, or whether it's a case of "hey it's free"
Hope you can help here as you claim to understand the community."
Is there anything in that above sentence that you think is somehow combative, or are you again in tin foil hat territory.
Of course I use the term pirate, sorry does that term upset you? I'm unsure of how else to address you and well here is the definition of what you do-
Software piracy is a term that is frequently used to describe the copying or use of computer software in violation of its license (commonly referred to as an end user licensing agreement or EULA)
Am I wrong? There are other terms for what it is you do, but I was trying to remain cordial.
It seems you are really desperate for some sort of rebuttal so we can continue going around in circles, before I continue I will give you what you so clearly need to move on. You win the internets +1, not sure what you win..but you seem to need a W in the win column.
Firstly thanks for the document, it was a fairly interesting read.
Heres the but, I'm going to call this poverty bias, because I can't remember the correct term, and in layman's terms it's the act of finding a reason or blaming something else for the real reason, you can't afford to pay or don't want to pay. Hence why the most common argument is "the game is too easy now" or "the game changed"
Ok that's not the entire reason but it can account for a decent percentage. People who take surveys basically lie, nobody wants to admit they are poor or that they are thieves. Even if the survey is actually ran by the thieves themselves.(which is possibly why you are so salty about the word pirate)
The final snippet of information is interesting and potentially worrying for Blizzard though, and again seems to indicate people lie on surveys. 70% claim they'd play for a year, on the private server only 30% were still active. That's one hell of a drop off when you bear in mind that even a FREE server only retained 30% of the accounts, and you would have to think a paid experience would maybe experience an even sharper decline.
So in short there is your answer, and if you are still puzzled as to what the info you provided has to do with a classic reboot, then I really don't know what to tell you.
I think we are done here right?
Post by
Rankkor
Guys, keep it friendly.
Don't get me wrong, so far nobody has broken any rules, but I'd like to keep it that way. By reading your posts, I get the feeling tempers are getting heated, and this is usually the time when someone says something they later regret or they don't mean to. Keep the discussion going, but try not to make it personal or indeed "a competition" someone is trying to win.
Post by
civgw
I think Pandora's box has been opened and there is no going back now.
Some people will want to play their favourite expansion. Personally, I've been pining for a BC server since half way through Wrath. Even if I wanted to be a BC pirate, there are no BC servers that are any good - they are renowned for being the worst of all the private servers. BC & Wrath used to come top of the favorite expansion polls - so it would be reasonable to expect some demand for them.
Another more contraversial thought I've had is that Blizzard may be playing a sneaky game here. I think it's reasonable to say that the long term future of the game is Legacy servers - they will almost certainly have them when the main game winds up. Maybe the end of the main game is closer than may have been thought and Blizzard is preparing for the end but disguising the preparation as satisfying the Vanilla fans. That way they will have started the Legacy servers and thus be able to transfer to a legacy based game much sooner.
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