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But... flying mounts should fly :'(
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Dilbo
Never said it was a deal breaker. I said it was a LAZY design choice. I was looking forward to an epic quest in 6.1, just as much as some people were looking forward to not having their favorite class "pruned" into the ground. As a DK, pruning is a non issue. Being allow to fly 4 months AFTER sitting at level cap was an issue for me. I will continue to play socially and do things around Draenor, but no where near as intense if I'd had my choice of transportation.
Yea, I'm not picking up what you're putting down. You are accusing blizzard's devs of being "lazy" for making Draenor a no-fly zone because you are too lazy to find your way around using the transportation options that are available? Not a compelling argument.
Over-pruning a class is not the same as disabling flight for a particular zone. We already have some abilities disabled in rated pvp, but pruning is a total delete...so we never get to use them. You can still fly in zones where flight is allowed. You cannot fly indoors - wouldn't it be nice if you could fly inside a dungeon so you just breeze over the trash and go straight to the bosses?
Flying mounts are undoubtedly convenient but they do trivialize the game. The point of a game is to play within the limitations and deal with the challenges put in place, and with a game that relies on a large "world", getting around is one of the challenges and limitations. I'm definitely in agreement with Blizzard on this decision; I've always felt that flying mounts diminish the game by making it too easy.
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Post by
Rankkor
At least someone is beginning to see that Draenor is not the ground-based utopia people are making it out to be.
Its not supposed to be a utopia. Utopia is when you can fly, and the world poses no danger to you. Draenor is meant to be a dangerous death trap. And for it to be dangerous, the option to vault over the mobs has to be taken care of.
And for the love of god, stop double-posting mate, be a little nicer. Sheesh.
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1107309
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Rankkor
Not even sure what a double post is.
A double-post is when yours is the last post of the thread, and then when you want to say something else, you make another post.
If yours is still the last post of the thread, and you still want to say something else, just edit your last post, and add the new stuff there.
It prevents having a thread page where the last 7 posts in a row are all from the same guy.
As for posting, not sure I will need to do much of it anymore. The entire site seems filled with folks who are happy to pat Blizz on the back.
Well dude, I'm not sure what to say here. This is a wow fansite, usually people who post in fansites, do so because they still like the game. After all, the day I no longer like wow, I'll stop visiting wow-related forums, I'll just move on to something else, just like I did when I left forever my previous MMO prior to wow (Lineage II)
When you have an opinion that is heavily into the minority, and you post it on a place that is filled with others who are bound to disagree with you, you gotta expect people to rebuke your stand.
Discussion is always encouraged and welcomed here (So long as personal attacks are left out of it, and an aura of mutual respect is maintained). But if posting your opinions makes you feel unwelcome just because people disagree with it, as I said earlier, forums are probably not the best way to express them. A blog with comments disabled would be the place for expressing an opinion with no venue for others to talk back. A public forum is a place were some will agree and some will disagree.
Also, I'm not happy to "pat blizzard on the back". Just as I heavily defend them, I just as heavily criticize them. There are elements within the game that I like, and elements within the game that I hate. And I have expressed my criticism before on the areas of the game that I'm not happy about.
Sometimes my opinion is supported by many who feel the same way, and just as many times, my opinion is debunked by many who feel differently about it. I don't take it personal, and neither should anyone else for that matter.
As for the accidental delete... I'm really not surprised.
Come on man =/ that was entirely uncalled for. You made 2 posts in a row (Also known as double-posting), I edited your first post to include the second, and when hitting the save button, I accidentally hit the wrong one. Could happen to anyone, why do you have to imply I did it on purpose? Sheesh. To be fair, its the first mistake of this type I've made in all the time I've been a moderator (Which is nearing half a year now).(##RESPBREAK##)520##DELIM##Rankkor##DELIM##
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Rankkor
I'm just done. Do you know of any non-fan sites where I can express my opinion in peace?
If by "in peace" you mean "without anyone talking back" I already told you: A private blog with comments disabled. Any public forum you go to, will always have people who will agree and will disagree with what anyone says. Hence the term "Public". It happened to you in MMOC, it happened here, and it'll happen in wow-insider just as much.
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Rankkor
I'm just done. Do you know of any non-fan sites where I can express my opinion in peace?
If by "in peace" you mean "without anyone talking back" I already told you: A private blog with comments disabled. Any public forum you go to, will always have people who will agree and will disagree with what anyone says. Hence the term "Public". It happened to you in MMOC, it happened here, and it'll happen in wow-insider just as much.
I take no issue with differing opinions. But walls of text to support Blizz and respond to 1 sentence is overkill. "I disagree, and here's 2 sentences why" is more than sufficient. Brow beating someone with 10-15 paragraphs to make a point is just a bit much.
People have different ways of rebuking a contrary opinion. Some do it brief, some do it large. Taking it personal and as "brow beating" just because the other side is offering an elaborate counter-point more complex than "I think you're wrong" is perhaps not the best way to approach a debate.
We all could certainly limit all debates to:
Guy 1: I think X is bad.
Guy 2: I think you're wrong.
Guy 3: I agree with guy 1.
Guy 4: I disagree with you all.
But would that be any form of engaging or interesting form of discussing and debating a point? Food for thought.(##RESPBREAK##)520##DELIM##Rankkor##DELIM##
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Rankkor
People have different ways of rebuking a contrary opinion. Some do it brief, some do it large. Taking it personal and as "brow beating" just because the other side is offering an elaborate counter-point more complex than "I think you're wrong" is perhaps not the best way to approach a debate.
I think a couple of sentences is plenty of elaboration to a response. "I think you are wrong. Blizz never intended to lie to anyone, they simply changed their minds at the last moment. Whether it was a shortage of time, or a direction change, only they will know."
See how that works. Opposing opinion, a few sentences, and doesn't put Blizz on a pedestal, even when agreeing with the choice.
Sure, that "works" except that's not my opinion at all. Even if it was, it leaves little venue in discussion when no points are raised, that's essentially a speculative answer that doesn't really provide insight on the personal opinion of the one debunking your point.
And I doubt anyone is "putting blizzard on a pedestal". Its fairly obvious they've made their share of mistakes since the game went live.
Now, this is me speculating, and if I'm wrong please correct me, but, you are basically getting offended by long responses? a complex answer is now apparently an attack against your right to express an opinion?
o_O
Post by
Eccentrica
People have different ways of rebuking a contrary opinion. Some do it brief, some do it large. Taking it personal and as "brow beating" just because the other side is offering an elaborate counter-point more complex than "I think you're wrong" is perhaps not the best way to approach a debate.
I think a couple of sentences is plenty of elaboration to a response. "I think you are wrong. Blizz never intended to lie to anyone, they simply changed their minds at the last moment. Whether it was a shortage of time, or a direction change, only they will know."
See how that works. Opposing opinion, a few sentences, and doesn't put Blizz on a pedestal, even when agreeing with the choice.
... except that you don't get to dictate how people respond to you or the length of their response. Your opinion as to the form of a satisfactory response is merely that: your opinion. Any site operator or moderator will have policies that you will have to abide by, leaving you the sole option of creating your own comments-disabled blog so that you can snarl into the darkness without fear of contradiction to your heart's delight.
Regarding your query of "Non-fan sites", I would advise you particularly against posting on WoW Insider. If you think we lean too heavily in Blizzard's favour, then you will consider them the penultimate Kool-Aid drinkers.
Ironically enough, the Official Forums might be just the place for you. The posters there hate everything Blizzard does.
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1107309
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Post by
Rankkor
Disliking the way an answer is phrased doesn't invalidates it.
I just stated that I hate long-winded answers.
There's a lot of things I don't like. That doesn't mean I have to impose them onto others, or derogate their arguments just because I don't like a particular element of it.
Ironically enough, the Official Forums might be just the place for you. The posters there hate everything Blizzard does.
hehehehe this is ironic, but
SO
true.(##RESPBREAK##)520##DELIM##Rankkor##DELIM##
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1107309
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Post by
Rankkor
I'm not trying to impose anything.
Sounds like you are.
If you take it personally, that is really your concern. Someone told me once not to take things personally here.
I don't. Internet grudges are for high-school.
Having said that, just because someone takes the time to address each point individually, and produce a complex answer and provide examples to back up their reasoning, doesn't mean their answer is "Full of fluff". That's a logical fallacy.
Some things cannot be said in 6 words.
Furthermore, by denigrating the opposite side, accusing them of "brow-beating" their opponents just due to the length of their response, and then make snide remarks like this:
As for the accidental delete... I'm really not surprised.
Show a remarkable lack of respect for those that are disagreeing with you.
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