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Who Should The Big Bad Of WoD Really Be?
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Post by
Levarus
Kil'jaedan.
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1090338
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Post by
Rankkor
I'm not sure about sargeras anymore. For one thing he doesn't have a body anymore (on the revised timeline he half-entered azeroth through the well of eternity, which got closed before he could fully enter, destroying his physical body) and his consciousness is in limbo after Medivh died.
He still has a presence, and in a way he still leads the burning legion, but without an actual body that can contain his near unlimited power, he can't really do much (which is why Kil'jaeden tried to usurp him in TBC, he had planned on consuming the powers of the world tree to become the new lord of the legion).
The only way Sargeras could be a proper big bad is if he somehow infects someone from the Pantheon, which IMO are the only beings that could possibly contain his power.
There's also that thingie blizzard said that the old gods are just as strong if not stronger than the titans themselves, so Sargeras may not even be the final big bad. For all we know, there's a vast entity of old gods lurking in other planets.
Post by
Adamsm
I can see Sargeras having rebuilt his body at some point....after all, he made an Avatar of himself and placed a portion of his consciousness within it.
Post by
Rankkor
A portion, and even then a mage was able to destroy it (A very powerful mage, but still, just one person). Creating a vessel capable of holding his unlimited cosmic power may not be possible. Main way I see us fighting him is if he takes over one of the titans of the pantheon.
Post by
Adamsm
And what's to say he can't rebuild a new body for himself and place all of his consciousness within it?
And one more thing: that portion of himself could only take over Medivh because it was born into that body; there isn't anything that references the Titans being able to body surf.
Post by
Rankkor
And what's to say he can't rebuild a new body for himself and place all of his consciousness within it?
All I'm saying is, if he can, why hasn't he? Blizzard better come up with a good excuse for that one.
Post by
Adamsm
And what's to say he can't rebuild a new body for himself and place all of his consciousness within it?
All I'm saying is, if he can, why hasn't he? Blizzard better come up with a good excuse for that one.
Because he's off doing other things? We don't know what Sargeras has been up to; it wasn't his full mind within Medivh after all. For all we know, the 'true' Sargeras has been continuing his war against Order, and the portion that had been inside of Medivh has not even returned to the body...and I still don't believe that his body was destroyed to be completely honest.
Post by
Verdnik
''YOU ARE NOT PREPARED'' for the final boss coming in WoD!
I think its some of these: Jaina Proudmoore, Illidan Stormrage or some Draenai.
Post by
Adamsm
Illidan Stormrage How? He's a corpse.
Post by
Kroyat
This may be a far fetch idea.
Nor is it one that I stand the strongest by.
But maybe Sylvanas might be?
In Mist of Pandaria, the story spiraled from being set in Pandaria to being set in Durotar.
Maybe the same will happen in Draenor, maybe while the heroes have been busy in Draenor, Sylvanas has been causing a storm back in Azeroth.
King Varian did mention something about reclaiming Gilneaus at the end of SoO if you talked to him on an Alliance character.
This isn't likely, just thought I'd throw something new to speculate on :P
Post by
Maniac21
Blizzard has said that the final boss is neither a demon nor an Orc. Jaina regained much of her self-control in War Crimes, and Sylvanas and Sargras are too high profile for this, as villains like that will require whole expansions with very obvious villainy. No, considering that this whole expac is centered around time and dimensional travel, I believe that the final boss be no other than Murozond/Nozdormu.
Consider the final cinematic in Cata, whereas the other aspects where looking bravely to the future after Deathwing's fall. Nozdormu was silently holding the sands of time that fell out of his shoulder-pad, with a mournful look on his face. We know that the Bronze dragon who started all this is acting under mysterious "ordes" from another, and I believe it to be Noz himself. Perhaps he's trying to create a world where he didn't lose his powers, a world he could control enough to somehow "re-absorb" said powers.
I firmly believe that this expac will end with the proper birth of the Infinite Dragonflight.
Of course, that's this expac, which is supposed to lead directly into the next (Personally, I expect Gul'dan will escape our wrath, and we'll have to chase him to the Southern continents, but who knows?)
Post by
Adamsm
Um...since War Crimes had the Infinite Flight helping the Dragonmaw attack and provide the distraction, they already exist. Nozdormu already admitted that he goes insane at the End of Time but that's not for a long time off. Also, if he was doing that, he wouldn't need to send Kairoz into an alternate Draenor; he could have just gone to the alternate Azeroth right off the back.
It's more then likely going to be Legion based for the finale.
Post by
Maniac21
They've already said it's not a demon. and I mean the "proper" birth of the Infinite flight, and we will actually "see" Nozdormu fall into corruption. Remember, this is Time travel, it all make sense in context.
Post by
Adamsm
They've already said it's not a demon. and I mean the "proper" birth of the Infinite flight, and we will actually "see" Nozdormu fall into corruption. Remember, this is Time travel, it all make sense in context.
It's not time travel; it's alternate time lines as the original Draenor war where our orcs/draenei come from still happened.
And sorry I must have missed something but they haven't confirmed anything after the problem that occurred with the MoP Blizzcon. So, I'm betting Legion, you can bet Infinites, and we'll see which is right...but since the Infinites are more or less
Clock Roaches
(confirmed in War Crimes), they already exist, we saw their birth several years ago and we saw the End of the Flight leader.
Post by
Skreeran
My bets are on Kairoz. Very powerful: Check. Villainous and tied to the overarching plot of the xpac: Check. Voiced by
Medivh
: Check.
Post by
Ozlem
Honestly if they're going off lore it has to be KJ (Kil'jaeden) simply because KJ has been relentlessly chasing Velen across the universe and instead of fleeing Velen this time stays... the whole purpose of corrupting the orcs to begin with was so KJ could destroy Velen and his Draenei (when Velen turned his back on Sargeras, and ultimately his BFF KJ and Archimonde KJ took it very personally and vowed to hunt Velen down even if it took 1,000 years.) so It's not like KJ is going to let up on Velen.
So my answer is Kil'jaeden.
Post by
Adamsm
Honestly if they're going off lore it has to be KJ (Kil'jaeden) simply because KJ has been relentlessly chasing Velen across the universe and instead of fleeing Velen this time stays... the whole purpose of corrupting the orcs to begin with was so KJ could destroy Velen and his Draenei (when Velen turned his back on Sargeras, and ultimately his BFF KJ and Archimonde KJ took it very personally and vowed to hunt Velen down even if it took 1,000 years.) so It's not like KJ is going to let up on Velen.
So my answer is Kil'jaeden.
He did before; he let the orcs 'wipe' out the draenei then turned and walked off without confirming they were all dead, which is what allowed Sargeras-Medivh to gather up the Horde and use it to invade Azeroth.
Post by
Ozlem
Honestly if they're going off lore it has to be KJ (Kil'jaeden) simply because KJ has been relentlessly chasing Velen across the universe and instead of fleeing Velen this time stays... the whole purpose of corrupting the orcs to begin with was so KJ could destroy Velen and his Draenei (when Velen turned his back on Sargeras, and ultimately his BFF KJ and Archimonde KJ took it very personally and vowed to hunt Velen down even if it took 1,000 years.) so It's not like KJ is going to let up on Velen.
So my answer is Kil'jaeden.
He did before; he let the orcs 'wipe' out the draenei then turned and walked off without confirming they were all dead, which is what allowed Sargeras-Medivh to gather up the Horde and use it to invade Azeroth.
Yes but this time Velen has stayed. Before Velen fled so KJ left once he thought the Draenei were finished.... but Velen has chosen to stay on Draenor this time round. As Velen is KJ end game, that changes things, don't you think?
It's actually quite a small pool to pick from since Garrosh has gone back to that point of time. Bad guys from our past, well some who were involved with Draenor's history didn't necessarily become a part until the old portal was made, it's a new portal linking us to that period of time so we need to look at who is there already and who has the power to arrive there despite the change of the portal. There is Sargeras still but he has no interest in Draenor until right at the end when KJ leaves. So the two power points who are there are Velen (don't see him going bad) and KJ (who is a very bad boy.)
... having said that I'm going through a very confused time with WoD right now so something entirely new could happen and at this stage wouldn't surprise me. There's still the elemental force which is there, the Naru, Belfs and the orc ancestral plane which could draw forth a bad guy, I guess. Or they can really throw the spanner in the works and make Med'an or Garona a big bad for all the crap they went through and even thought it's said/speculated a orc wouldn't be a big bad those two are mixed raced and then I'm curious about Kairozdormu's involvement & subsequently the bronze dragonflight... IDK
Money is on KJ at this point however especially since it was said during a Q&A the end game boss is "it's the guy behind the guy" and well KJ was the puppet-master before and as far as I can see there is nothing blocking him from slipping back into that role now.
Post by
Adamsm
Yes but this time Velen has stayed. Before Velen fled so KJ left once he thought the Draenei were finished.... but Velen has chosen to stay on Draenor this time round. As Velen is KJ end game, that changes things, don't you think?Um...da heck are you talking about? The draenei didn't leave Outland until shortly before the Burning Crusade; Velen was on Draenor after the war, when the Horde invaded Azeroth and when the planet exploded.
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