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Post by
Squishalot
Wonder which embassy will get destroyed over
this
.
Yet another act of
kindness
from the peaceful religion of Islam.
I think you're in the
wrong thread
. This is a place for productive discussion, not political point scoring and one-upmanship.
Post by
Adamsm
Wonder which embassy will get destroyed over
this
.
None; that being said, there is the 'truth' of the internet, showing that idiots can get a channel and people will watch it....
Post by
Magician22773
Wonder which embassy will get destroyed over
this
.
Yet another act of
kindness
from the peaceful religion of Islam.
I think you're in the
wrong thread
. This is a place for productive discussion, not political point scoring and one-upmanship.
I will move my response to this:
Dude, stop. We all know how this conversation is going to go. You wouldn't want Christianity to be judged based on the actions of extremists, stop judging Islam based on the actions of the same.
to that thread.
Post by
240140
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Post by
Hyperspacerebel
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/22/pope-francis-good-atheists_n_3320757.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular
Thoughts?
In my opinion, I can totally get behind the fact that doing good is more important to god than worshipping god.
I don't follow any religion though. (To be clear, to me, I'm not certain god exists, but I'm like 99% sure that the god from the bible doesn't. I'd say other holy books too but I haven't read them)
I just want to clear some things up about this. The Pope said that having faith is not a requirement of doing good, and that the duty to do good belongs to everyone. And he went on to say that through this universal path of doing good, we can all come together in unity and peace, regardless of belief. He did not compare doing good and worshiping God.
The fullest English translation of the homily can be found here:
http://en.radiovaticana.va/news/2013/05/22/pope_at_mass:_culture_of_encounter_is_the_foundation_of_peace/en1-694445
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240140
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Post by
Hyperspacerebel
I just don't get why religion would teach that it's more important to believe in christ than it is to do good, no one benefits from that.
Just to be clear again, a lot of Christians do believe in
sola fide
, that is salvation through
faith alone
, but that is not a Catholic teaching and never has been. Not implying that's what you are saying.
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240140
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Post by
Hyperspacerebel
Protestant is probably the word you're looking for, which is the broad term for most of the Christian denominations that autonomously established themselves with and after Luther in the 16th century. I'm not sure if MyTie adheres to a specific denomination or if he is non-denominational, though.
Post by
asakawa
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/22/pope-francis-good-atheists_n_3320757.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular
Thoughts?
/shrug. I don't want it, thanks anyway Frank.
I didn't ask for a human sacrifice to be done in my name so no matter what the Catholic church decides about whether the good life I lead is deserving of their idea of salvation, it's not something I appreciate.
Post by
Hyperspacerebel
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/22/pope-francis-good-atheists_n_3320757.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular
Thoughts?
/shrug. I don't want it, thanks anyway Frank.
I didn't ask for a human sacrifice to be done in my name so no matter what the Catholic church decides about whether the good life I lead is deserving of their idea of salvation, it's not something I appreciate.
I don't think there's any reason for you to be flippant about it (Frank? Really?). He wasn't speaking to you, he wasn't speaking to atheists, and he didn't grant anyone anything. He was reminding Catholics that Jesus died for mankind and that all mankind is capable of doing good works, whatever their beliefs. It's a lesson to Catholics to be less judgmental about the actions of non-believers, and it's a good lesson that many forget.
Post by
asakawa
Fair enough. If it's a message to Catholics then I have misunderstood it as a message to atheists and you should feel free to ignore my comments as being a reaction, on my part, to that. As a simple message from the leader of a group to the members of the group I have no place to opine.
Regarding the general topic though, I find this sort of thing distasteful, like baptising people after they've died. It's like claiming people even when they don't want it and it happens a lot.
Post by
Skreeran
I just find it amusing that it's news that atheists can be good people.
I thought we already knew that.
Post by
Nathanyal
I just find it amusing that it's news that atheists can be good people.
That's not what it/s about.
He wasn't speaking to you, he wasn't speaking to atheists, and he didn't grant anyone anything. He was reminding Catholics that Jesus died for mankind and that all mankind is capable of doing good works, whatever their beliefs. It's a lesson to Catholics to be less judgmental about the actions of non-believers, and it's a good lesson that many forget.
In case you missed it.
Post by
asakawa
To be fair though, that is how it's being reported pretty much everywhere.
Post by
134377
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Post by
Hyperspacerebel
Let's disregard theology when trying to solve a real problem. We'll get more done. That's more in the spirit of Jesus, no?
No, not really. What sort of theology would it be if you could just throw it out whenever it didn't fit your needs? Pope Francis's message there is entirely based in theology. He's not disregarding it, he's using it.
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240140
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Post by
Hyperspacerebel
Oh yeah that's it. So catholics don't think you go to hell if you don't worship jesus/god/*Ineedtoreadthebibleagain*? Or do you have to do that AND good things, unlike in the protestant beliefs?
The only thing the Catholic Church maintains in that regard is that dying in a state of mortal sin will get you to hell. As to where unbaptized people or non-believers go, that is understood to be completely up to God's justice and mercy and only he can judge.
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134377
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