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Post by
lankybrit
That's right ElhonnaDS.
But, rather than lol'ing it up like others, I'm kind of sad that players who enjoyed playing the game a certain way, and paid lots of money for it, are being victimized here.
Cheers.
Post by
ElhonnaDS
Oh I agree that there's no reason to laugh at multiboxers or say "that serves you right," because I agree they weren't doing anything wrong. I just also don't think they have much room to complain/demand it be changed when they knew that what they did was allowed but not really what the game was designed for. I've made analogies before along the lines of "I used to buy this particular type of panliner because it also makes a really good coffee filter. If the company that makes the panliner thinks that they need to make a change to make it better as a panliner, and as a result I can't use it as a coffee filter anymore, they didn't do anything wrong- they weren't making coffee filters to begin with."
I think that people who were using a single person game to make a team of 5 characters to play at once were making one type of video game into another. It's worked fine so far, but if a change needs to be made to make the game better as a single player game (which is what it is designed to be), then it shouldn't matter whether a few people prefer to run 5 at once with third party software to make it a different kind of game- they aren't going to be catering to that function, nor should the necessarily have to.
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Post by
lankybrit
That's right ElhonnaDS.
But, rather than lol'ing it up like others, I'm kind of sad that players who enjoyed playing the game a certain way, and paid lots of money for it, are being victimized here.
Cheers.
Hmm strong choice of words, victimized.
They weren't deliberately targeted, and one small aspect of boxing has been made more difficult, it just happens to be the main activity that adversely affects other players too.
That happens on patch day, Whenever Blizzard change stuff not to my liking damn do I feel victimized, I know you feel the same about CRZ.
Don't speak for me. I didn't feel victimized about CRZ at all, just hated that they did it. By victimized, I mean that a specific small subset of players is affected adversely by a change that Blizzard has made. Just like if they totally nerfed a Class, I would say that members of that Class were being victimized.
Cheers.
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Post by
lankybrit
So maybe they were subjected to oppression, hardship or mistreatment? I hardly think so.
They were subjected to hardship, obviously. Thanks for proving my point.
BTW: Why are you arguing over what word I used? Does it really matter? We all know they were negatively impacted by this change, otherwise you wouldn't have been so happy.
BTW2: This will be my last post in the thread, because I've stated what I think, and there's no need to say anything else.
Cheers.
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Post by
skumbananer
I dont really get what the "unfairness" (i dont know the proper english word) is with multiboxers. Even five crappy players who have some form of organization and game plan will smack the be-jeebus out of a 5man box run by one player.
Any class with fear can totally ruin a multiboxers day (the box runs in all directions, gl recovering from that mr.multiboxer), and they are always in a tight pack, so aoe works wonders too.
if i had the money, and the technology and know-how i would love to try it out myself. Imagine a 5man forsaken huntard-box all using the silliest and ugliest transmogs ever, complete with the top-5 ugliest pets the world (of warcraft) has to offer.
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Post by
Nathanyal
Believe it or not, a random BG can be organized. I see it happen several times in the ones I've done.
What about when 5 different players go to the graveyard and camp it? It's essentially the same as that multiboxer doing that. And I've seen that happen more often than I have encountered MB's.
And it would be no different if I got 4 guildes to join me and do a random BG, using vent/TS to coordinate attacks.
And something as forcing a kid up a chimney is completely different from someone playing on 5 different accounts.
But I'm not going to debate it any more, I've done that enough on the MB thread on the PvP forum.
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Post by
Azrile
It seems that currently, though, Blizzard's stance is that they have no problem with removing functions that multi-boxing depends on, which seems to support the "It's not against the rules, but we're not going to make game decisions around leaving it viable" idea.
Exactly, Blizzard clearly learned that an easy way to get rid of a bunch of the less tech-savy BG botters was to remove /follow. Yes, there are probably more sophisticated methods, but Blizzard must have thought this was worth doing.
And to be honest, I do this often, especially in AV when I need a pee break.
But I really wonder how many accounts Blizzard lost because of this. There were obviously a lot of people above the trial account levels who were multiboxing.
Post by
MikadoGG
You are saying on one hand, you care about Blizzard's stance (re. addons) but on another hand don't care (re. Multi-boxing).
And you are saying that you trust Blizzard to do what they deem necessary with their game, so they did. This may be read as a tacit way to show disapproval of multi-boxing, or totally unrelated but the fact of the matter is they made this change, and they knew very well multi-boxers would be hit along with botters and afkers and they still made it. So take it or leave it.
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Post by
Arberian021
The follow command must be allowed because multiboxing is allowed in game ! Blizzard must allow follow command!
Post by
ElhonnaDS
The follow command must be allowed because multiboxing is allowed in game ! Blizzard must allow follow command!
Since another poster, who is a multi-boxer, has said that blizzard is addressing the matter by giving refunds on various transactions they made for the purposes of multiboxing, it appears that this is going to be a permanent change, and they are not only aware of the fact that this is disabling multi-boxing, but are resolute enough that this is acceptable that they are giving back the money people spent to accommodate it rather than attempting to accomodate them. It may be that there are ways to make multi-boxing work without /follow, that are allowed under the ToS, and it may be that there are not. But Blizzard seems to be making a pretty definite statement that they are not going to be accommodating them at the expense of design changes that they want to make. To be honest, this seems like a change that is specifically aimed at disabling multi-boxers, and may be how they're phasing in a policy change about the practice.
Post by
Croco
You are so wrong man.
First thing I'm gonna say is Iankybrit wanted to show how
you
oppress the multi-boxers thus victimizing them. Yes you are the one victimizing not Blizz.
Second thing. It was stated that any class with a fear ability would wreak havoc in a MB's setup but then you go around and say that a multi-boxer is playing God mode... dude try and fear God see what happens lol.
You are blind. They tried leading you nicely to the proper conclusion. Both mod and Iankybrit. Now I will just state it: multi-boxing is not cheating. There. It is wasn't and still isn't against any Blizz policy, and certainly is not against any unwritten rule that RPG players may have.
I was talking to Entropyutd, btw.
Post by
Croco
To be honest, this seems like a change that is specifically aimed at disabling multi-boxers, and may be how they're phasing in a policy change about the practice.
How'd you figure? If it was aimed at them why not simply disable follow and not reimburse the MB's? I cannot catch the train of thoughts that leads from one to the other. It's like the company that makes panliners would reimburse you for buying that one pack of they're product that doesn't fit you coffee machine anymore would reimburse you. I am convinced that they would reimburse you anyhow if you just returned that product, but not specifically because you can't use the product they sell as coffee filters.
IMO Blizz'z move to reimburse some of the transactions MB's did is just some sort of solace. It's like saying 'we are sorry your setup don't work anymore and here is what is fair for you to have back from the money you gave us'.
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