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Post by
Adamsm
Thrall has no interest in going back to Org in the Jaina Proudmoore Tides of War book...even after Garrosh sacrified so many of his people and leveled Theramore in a cowardice way.
Because Thrall still had work to do to keep a second Cataclysm from happening....and he still left that to go and stop Jaina. It's still possible that he will be the new Warchief after Garrosh is disposed.
That is why you read the lore..the game is not lore...the game is more a game.
And if there was no Lore, the game wouldn't exist.
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1031515
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Post by
Adamsm
I think it will be Baine..reading latest lore he stepped up the most against Garrosh and his poor choices, and a lot of the horde, still being afraid of Garrosh, were behind him. He took the role as the main objector in the horde side.
....There's still the major issue to that: The Orcs will
not follow a non-orc.
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Post by
Adamsm
No, I read that article long ago; but since Blizzard is the master of the smoke screen, it's still completely possible that Thrall will be the Warchief at the end of MoP.
Post by
HiVolt
I think it will be Baine..reading latest lore he stepped up the most against Garrosh and his poor choices, and a lot of the horde, still being afraid of Garrosh, were behind him. He took the role as the main objector in the horde side.
....There's still the major issue to that: The Orcs will
not follow a non-orc.
Idunno... I still have an issue with that idea. I mean, if the prospective leader was proven well enough, I think that the majority of the orc population would likely be willing to follow someone not of their race. Sure, there might be detractors, but given the right circumstances, I think it could happen.
I mean, Baine and Vol'jin are both ideal candidates aside from their inconvenient races. After the death of Garrosh, it may be that the orcs have to take a step back from leadership of the Horde and re-evaluate their own moral and political ideals. In an Army of Light scenario, I see Tauren being much more likely to lead the Horde than the orcs, especially after the Garrosh fiasco- being that the Tauren are the most willing of all the Horde races to work with the Alliance. However, in a Great Sea scenario, I see it as being the Trolls as more likely, what with the implied ancestral connection to Night Elves and Naga.
But, speculation being what it is, we'll probably just have to wait and see.
Post by
Adamsm
Well the simple thing is as long as the title of Warchief is tied to the orc leadership as well, I can't see a non-Orc ever moving into that position....now, if they change that, and make the Warchief one who is chosen by the faction leaders and then place an over all Orc Warlord who leads all of the clans, then I can see a non-Orc taking the reins of the Horde.
But there is a precedent for it don't forget: Thrall considered Carine for the position of the Warchief, but he knew the Orcs wouldn't have followed the old cow, so he had to go with Garrosh since Draenosh was dead and Saurfang was too old to take up the mantle.
Post by
HiVolt
Well the simple thing is as long as the title of Warchief is tied to the orc leadership as well, I can't see a non-Orc ever moving into that position....now, if they change that, and make the Warchief one who is chosen by the faction leaders and then place an over all Orc Warlord who leads all of the clans, then I can see a non-Orc taking the reins of the Horde.
But there is a precedent for it don't forget: Thrall considered Carine for the position of the Warchief, but he knew the Orcs wouldn't have followed the old cow, so he had to go with Garrosh since Draenosh was dead and Saurfang was too old to take up the mantle.
Right, there is a problem in the title of "Warchief". Maybe designating a new title for Orc leadership would resolve it. Warlord, Supreme Overlord, Lord of the Clans, etc...
With that in mind, I wonder who would be granted the leadership of the Orcs themselves and not the Horde overall... It's too bad Saurfang is so old...
Post by
Adamsm
Honestly, as 'bad' as it's gonna sound, but I could see Garrosh as the over all leader of the Orcs while someone else takes the position of the Warchief. But then again, I'm still doubting we're gonna kill Garrosh at the end of MoP; we'll fight him and break whatever corruption has a hold of him, but I'm still hoping he can be redeemed in some manner.
Post by
HiVolt
Honestly, as 'bad' as it's gonna sound, but I could see Garrosh as the over all leader of the Orcs while someone else takes the position of the Warchief. But then again, I'm still doubting we're gonna kill Garrosh at the end of MoP; we'll fight him and break whatever corruption has a hold of him, but I'm still hoping he can be redeemed in some manner.
Idunno. If they could do it well, redemption would be the best route. Then let Garrosh rule the orcs as Lord of the Clans, and put in Baine or Vol'jin as Warchief, more likely the latter due to age and experience. I'm just hoping Garrosh dies, really. He did a little attonement in Cata, but not enough to make him into a well-rounded and really believable character. If you ask me, this little hiccup does much more for the story of the Horde rather than the story of Garrosh. His concept always seemed stilted to me. Forced, if you will. Like Blizzard was saying, "Oh, right, here's Grom's son. You better get used to him, because we're going to make him central to the story- even though he's never been mentioned in any game in the series until right now."
Personally, I hope some crazy @#$% happens and Saurfang comes back to take the Warchief position until Thura can prove herself worthy of the position. After all, Blizzard did say we'd never see it coming, and that seems one of the least likely options. It would also mark a new dawn in the Horde; from what is essentially hereditary oligarchy to a more democratic format of government where people even from common families (which is what the Saurfangs are, since none have ever been mentioned as chieftains) can rise to power. But then that would raise essentially the same problem as Garrosh of an essentially lore-unknown character taking charge of a major faction... Idunno. At this point, it's really a toss-up.
Post by
Adamsm
Right right. Like I've said before, I do like Garrosh.....it's just Blizzard went so bi-polar with him. Oh well, we've got a bunch of patches to go before his defeat so we'll see what happens.
But I'm still seeing Thrall back as the over all Warchief by the end of the expansion.
Post by
Skreeran
Whoever it's going to be, Blizzard is going to clumsily and awkwardly foreshadow it like they always do.
-Garrosh was pulled out of Outland and made superleader of the Horde's military in Northrend with a ton of followers before he became Warchief. And he got some massively lopsided representation in the comics (Thrall took him to the meeting with Varian before Eitrigg, Saurfang, Nazgrel, Cairne, etc).
-Likewise with Varian, he got an entire comic arc about him before he came back.
-Bolvar was heavily hinted at, if not becoming the Lich King, at least being a Death Knight (see the Yogg-Saron fight). And then came the whole "there must always be a Lich King" BS before the actual fight.
Blizzard always makes sure we know that they have groomed certain characters for their particular roles. Hell, look at the WotLK launch event. Horde side had Thrall, Sylvanas, Saurfang, Garrosh and Putress. Saurfang hadn't been used since Vanilla, but became a major leader, Garrosh got pulled from Outland and became a major leader, and Putress hadn't even existed until the plague event, and we ask know what he did.
In a World with thousands of static NPCs, watch for the ones Blizzard is obviously wanting you to notice.
Edit: I haven't played WoW in over a year, so I wouldn't know who those would be.
Post by
Lenzikus
Although most of my chars are on Alliance, I really love Sylvanas. Her looks and style really make me wanna be an undead Night Elf.
But many people labelled her insane and she would kill the entire Horde if she was nominated as warchief. So that would not be a good choice.
Post by
HiVolt
So that would not be a good choice.
An understatement if I've ever seen one. :P
Sylvanas as the Warchief would be an insane choice. It'd be cool, to be sure, because it would take the Horde back into an era of darkness and evil they haven't seen since before Doomhammer exiled the Shadow Council. That alone could make for some really good internal conflict, as well as external conflict with the Alliance and the various other factions such as the Earthen Ring, Cenarion Circle and many others.
But because of that, it'd also be a regression in the story. Instead of having two playable factions that both have some fuzzy morality laced throughout, we'd have one stereotypically good faction and one stereotypically evil faction. The Good vs. Evil trope, though it's a mainstay in fantasy fiction, becomes tedious very quickly if it's not done nearly to perfection. When we have two factions with fuzzy morality, both can be placed in the "good" category and the "evil" category can be reserved for those who actually are undeniably evil; thus, the two factions are able to overcome their differences, even for brief moments, to take care of the greater threat.
Post by
Adamsm
Not to mention if Sylvanas was made the Warchief, the Tauren and Trolls would be gone in an instant. I have a feeling even the Blood Elves would withdraw completely if that happened. Orcs would probably end up with a Civil War as the Garrosh faction joins up with the Undead Warchief while the others take off, probably to go back home. As for the Goblins...depends on if Sylvanas was willing to keep paying them or not.
Post by
HiVolt
As for the Goblins...depends on if Sylvanas was willing to keep paying them or not.
She'd be more likely to just kill them and raise them back, so once that process starts up, they'd probably be gone in a heartbeat.
Post by
Adamsm
As for the Goblins...depends on if Sylvanas was willing to keep paying them or not.
She'd be more likely to just kill them and raise them back, so once that process starts up, they'd probably be gone in a heartbeat.
Depends on how many actual Necromancers she still has; Val'kyr's don't work on non-humans/Vyrkul after all.
Post by
Lordplatypus
Moving characters
Jaina
Baine
Anduin
Varian
Garrosh
Thrall (Always doing something and being part of every plot)
Greatmother Whatshernameagain?
Vol'Jin (His own novel)
Most likely it would be either Vol'Jin or metzen having a thrallgasm and forcing thrall into it
Post by
Skreeran
Specifically, I think they'll be putting focus on the character in the game, rather like they made Garrosh a part of
everything
in WotLK (one of the first questgivers, Ulduar trailer, at the Argent Tournament, inside Icecrown Citadel giving the buff). Nearly all of the questgivers were talking about how great Garrosh was, and then he was in the comic every time Thrall went anywhere (and they clumsily made other characters talk about how great he was).
Whoever is gonna be the new Warchief is going to have a big presence in MoP.
Post by
Lordplatypus
A Hozen for WARCHEEF
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