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DOTD - Debate of The Day #52
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Post by
Ksero
Ok one more time, I read this
This is sort of off topic but still related, I think the biggest part of the obesity problem is all of these you are beautiful no matter what your weight is commercials, meant to improve the self esteem of those who are overweight. I'm not trying to say overweight people can't be attractive, just that if they are being told that being overweight is ok, then they have no reason to lose weight and be healthy. If they told people to aim for a healthy body weight this would improve their self esteem, and make them healthier.
I responded with this
Ya because the status quo of skinny models we have had since the 50's has done so much good for the self esteem and body image of young girls.
which is where I should have stopped. But of course people completely ignore that and go right to the other part.
So to clarify I disagree with commercials showing models of varying body weights as being wrong. I am all for commercials using models of all shapes and sizes. The way I read that is anyone not at optimal body weight does not deserve to have any self esteem.
I'm done with this now.
I didn't ignore that part, i responded to it in my last post.
All I said was that if it is OK to be overweight then there is no incentive to be at a healthy body weight, I never said overweight people should have no self esteem, everyone should be comfortable with their body, but no one should be told being overweight is good for them.
Let me just say that I was overweight (240 lbs) but still in fairly good physical shape because I played hockey and football. One day my friend and I had the idea of having a competition to see which one of us could get to our ideal body weight first. 6 months later I was 178 lbs and feeling better than i have in the past 8 years. You DO feel better at a healthy body weight, you have way more energy, you feel stronger, you can run longer etc. Don't try and tell me that being overweight is a good thing.
Post by
Adamsm
To the question: Your genes may affect it, but not as much as the person themselves.
Post by
Monday
You DO feel better at a healthy body weight, you have way more energy, you feel stronger, you can run longer etc. Don't try and tell me that being overweight is a good thing.
This exactly. Last September I was about 210 lbs, and now I'm at 155. It feels SO much better. I'm more confident, energetic and outgoing, all because of that.
It's fine to have weight on you (I still have some I need to work off on my chest and sides), but I fully agree with Ksero; you should try to maintain a healthy body weight.
Post by
donnymurph
How tall are you Benzene? 155lb = 70kg which is pretty light. I'm only about 5'9" (I think - maybe 5'10") and I was skinny as hell at 80kg (176lb).
EDIT
: Sorry. Still in the habit of calling you Funden.
Post by
Monday
5'9" and a half or so.
Sorry. Still in the habit of calling you Funden.
It's fine. Any of the OT regulars or L+RP'ers can call me Fund. I still call Orranis "Face", after all.
Post by
OverZealous
Now that we've moved on from Sumo wrestlers, I will agree with Adams. Genetics may have a part in it, but eating fat food and maintaining an unhealthy lifestyle is still very much your own choice. Some people may end up being a little chubbier than others despite eating pretty much the same food, but I think in general, if you have a healthy lifestyle, that's what will decide.
Post by
donnymurph
Some people may end up being a little chubbier than others despite eating pretty much the same food.
And if they do, they should then recognise that their metabolic rate (BMR) is slower than the average person's, and therefore they should either eat less or do some cardio. Pretty simple stuff.
Post by
FatalHeaven
#52: Should Abortion be legal in the cases of rape and/or incest?
Everyone generally has strong feelings on Abortion. Mine happens to be that to kill a fetus is to kill a living breathing human being. To me, the moment they are conceived they are a person. Regardless of the stage of development; even when they are a microscopic egg. Quite honestly, when I hear of someone, even a friend or family member, even
considering
abortion, it disgusts me beyond belief.
That being said, I also believe that if the choice to have the baby was out of your control (rape) or the pregnancy is the result of incest, that you should have a limited time frame where you may choose to abort/end the pregnancy; and that after a set point, you shouldn't be able to abort the pregnancy. What should those times frames be? I don't know. I can't set a limit on it because I truly believe all abortions are wrong. But forcing a rape victim or a victim of incest to carry child, seems just as wrong too.
EDIT: This has always been a sensative subject and affects some more than others. Please take others into consideration with your replies. State your opinion by all means, but please remain mature and polite.
Post by
Ksero
Abortions should be legal no matter what the circumstance, I'm glad I live in a country that agrees with me on this point. It all depends on how you define a person, 2 fused cells are not a person, nor 4, nor 8, because without the mother, the cells would not be able to replicate, until the fetus can live by it's self I consider it part of the mother, and therefore it is her decision whether or not to terminate the pregnancy.
Post by
Adamsm
#52: Should Abortion be legal in the cases of rape and/or incest?
Yes; why in the world should the poor victim be traumatized even more by knowing that the thing she hates the most left her with this 'god awful' curse inside her body. Seriously, unless you are going to keep the girl drugged for 9 months, let her get rid of it as quickly as possible.
Edit: And sure there are mothers out there who would raise a rape child...but how many others have made the lives of this constant reminder of one horrible night a living hell for the rest of it's existence? Leaving out those families who have that whole 'bad blood' thing, where they treat children from that kind of event as outcasts or bad seeds....but we already know what the debate here is going to boil down to.
What should those times frames be?Same as they are now: By 23 weeks, since after that point, most abortion clinics won't do the operation.
Post by
240140
This post was from a user who has deleted their account.
Post by
Squishalot
Is this topic due to that Republican fellow who's embarrassing US politicians?
There can be a medical definition of when a fetus can be considered a human life, even if not legally separated from the mother. Whatever is agreed would be the timeframe.
I agree that rape is a special case, and that it should be legal (irrespective of underlying abortion laws), but subject to the medically advised position (e.g. not in 3rd trimester, not after 5 weeks, whatever that timeline is). That is, if the law stipulates that you can't have an abortion after 6 months because at that point it's a recognised human life, even if it was the child of rape, an abortion isn't justified - you've had 6 months prior to do something about it. Said timeframe has to be reasonable to allow time for the detection and removal of the fetus.
Abortions should be legal no matter what the circumstance
A third trimester premature baby can live without its mother (with help, in this day and age). Mother is 20 hours into labour, and says "stuff this, I want an abortion". Legal? I don't think so.
left her with this 'god awful' curse
They're being left with
"a gift of human life"
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Post by
Adamsm
left her with this 'god awful' curse
They're being left with
"a gift of human life"
.
Ugh, we need that damn rocket to the sun to stick all the idiots and morons in position of political power on already....
Post by
240140
This post was from a user who has deleted their account.
Post by
Ksero
I thought we were talking about wether the woman was raped or not. As far as timeframes go, I don't know anything about that science behind babies or any of that, but I'd just say as long as it's safe for the woman. At no point would I value a fetus over the woman carrying it.
You were correct.
Abortions should be legal no matter what the circumstance
A third trimester premature baby can live without its mother (with help, in this day and age). Mother is 20 hours into labour, and says "stuff this, I want an abortion". Legal? I don't think so.
When I said circumstance, I meant how the woman got pregnant, be it from rape, or just making a bad decision with a one night stand, the condom breaking, oral contraceptives fail etc.
Post by
donnymurph
Yes.
I doubt this will even be a debate at all because I don't think anyone here would say no.
Post by
Squishalot
When I said circumstance, I meant how the woman got pregnant, be it from rape, or just making a bad decision with a one night stand, the condom breaking, oral contraceptives fail etc.
In fairness, you also said that abortion should be allowed because it's a part of the mother, which was the point I was trying to address with that comment.
I doubt this will even be a debate at all because I don't think anyone here would say no.
I actually forgot to address the case of incest in my original post. I'm actually going to say 'no' in relation to incest, but caveat that on the idea that "it shouldn't be treated differently from normal abortion", as opposed to 'no it shouldn't be legal'.
Reasoning: Incest is consensual, so irrespective of our beliefs on whether incest is right or not, if abortion is illegal on moral grounds, abortion from incest should likewise be illegal on the same moral grounds. If said incest isn't consensual, it constitutes rape, and falls under the rape category. I don't see why it should be treated separately.
Post by
Magician22773
Yes.
I doubt this will even be a debate at all because I don't think anyone here would say no.
Sorry donny, but at least one of us will.
There are alternatives to abortion in the case of rape. The crime of rape is a horrible one, but it should not justify the crime of murder. And aborting a viable, healthy baby is just that. No one likely argue that a mother should be forced to raise a child of rape, but sacrificing 9 months to give the other innocent victim of the crime a chance at life is not asking too much. If anything, the rape victim could know that by delivering the baby, something good had came from something horrible.
I, very begrudgingly, agree with terminating a pregnancy if the mothers life, or the baby's life are at risk. So, in the case of incest, I would support a termination if there was enough cause or medical evidence that the incest had resulted in a deformed child, or if the mother of the child was so young that delivering the baby could be harmful to her. I also believe that in these cases, the father of the terminated child should be tried for murder, as well as the incest / rape.
Post by
yukonjack
Yes abortion should be legal under any circumstance under whatever time frame a doctor will perform the surgery.
Here is a question I have wondered about, the anti abortion folks are often christian and if god gave us all free will, where does the free will go when abortion is made illegal?
Post by
Magician22773
Here is a question I have wondered about, the anti abortion folks are often christian and if god gave us all free will, where does the free will go when abortion is made illegal?
The same place it goes when you murder another human being outside the womb.
I guess since most pro-murder folks are often athiest, or worship trees, that would explain why they have no fear of what God thinks of them destroying one of His creations.
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