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PLEASE remove [School of Hard Knocks] requirement from the Children's Week meta-achievemen
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Post by
Lucilite
Hi, OP here.
First of all lemme point out that although I've been farming achievements of all types (with a special love for holidays) for years, it's been less than a year so far that I've been actively trying to get all the holiday metas on any one toon in order to get . (I only got my first toon to lvl 85 last year, so only recently is even possible for me to try. Yeah I know, I'm like the very bottom of the bell curve there, not lvling my toons to max only months after creating them. I have my reasons for it but i won't get into that now 'cuz it's off-topic.)
As a result of all that, this is also the very first year I'll be attempting . I've not tried it in past years, so I've not researched it in past years.
Now that having been said, here are some things I've learned after reading the comments in this thread:
-First of all, thanks for mentioning the Official WoW forums as a better place to post this questions. I'd forgotten they exist, and TBH I'm not sure if I ever use them. I just assumed WoWhead was the place to post. My bad.
-What really spurned me to make this thread originally was reading the comments in the page. I figured it would be a hard achievement for me since I don't do much PvP, but seeing the whole first page** of comments be filled with complaints about how & why this achievement is bad, and the various reasons being echoed & agreed amongst the commenters, it seemed to be a case of the general populace complaining in droves. I made the post more on these peoples' behalfs than on my own.
-I've also learned now that the complaints I read in the achievement's page and my attempt to
beg
ask Blizzard to "fix" or remove the achievement, are all things that have been repeateded year after year, with no real response from Blizz. (I only know this now because as mentioned above this is my first time looking into this one.)
And because of this, I think now it wouldn't be worth it to post this message to Blizz on the official forums anyway.
-I just read several people agree with some of what I originally wrote, and several people disagree, and people agreeing & disagreeing with other about it... so opinion seems to rather mixed. Maybe I got a skewed view on the subject do to the page for being more of a place for the complainers to post, and these feelings about the achievment aren't as prevalent as I originally thought.
Now, as for the part about how this achievement completely disrupts the flow of BGs for a week, making it a frustration both for solid PVErs just going in for the holiday and for solid PVPrs just trying to get their PVP-farming done, I still think that's a major enough design flaw that Blizz REALLY should have it changed, regardless of the issue of how hard the achievement is for some people to do. Especially since half the time it seems people get it when factions choose to NOT do PVP in the battlegrounds, but instead HELP OUT their opponents... might as well make Arathi Basin a Sanctuary like Shatt & Dal are.
But I'll try to get it for myself this week, and we'll see what happens. Anyway, even if I do get in on my main, I still won't be able to get the proto-drake until next year, because somehow she missed one of the pets for , & needs to wait one more year to get that. (though that doesn't apply to my other lvl 85 toon who's also diligently working towards the same goal...)
Anyway thanks all your input guys/gals. I'm gonna try to to petition Blizz after all.
But I still think this one should be changed somehow. Like just having it be "Win these 4 BGs while having your orphan out"... that way people would try to work for the goal of winning the BG, rather than throwing out the window for a week, know what i'm sayin'?
Anyway, that's all for now.
**(Note: I've seen people mentioning in other places too about how uniquely hard this one achievment seems to be. Such other related wowhead pages, and even from my guildies, including one who's already got long ago. So it's not only that one achievement page I'm basing all of this on; it just mostly came from there.)
Post by
Spinkert
But I'll try to get it for myself this week, and we'll see what happens. Anyway, even if I do get in on my main, I still won't be able to get the proto-drake until next year, because somehow she missed one of the pets for , & needs to wait one more year to get that. (though that doesn't apply to my other lvl 85 toon who's also diligently working towards the same goal...)
Veteran Nanny isn't required for the
meta
, so you can still get the proto drake this year on your main.
Post by
Rockettman
Yesterday I have tried this achievement for the first time on my main (warrior). It was quite easy, I did EotS, WSG, AB and AV in that sequence. Got credit on the first try each with a really bad internetconnection.
to the OP, I would suggest to do this achievement on later hours when there is less competition.
EotS; might need some luck but if you focus you get can that flag
WSG; just keep focusing on the efc and you will be able to return it.
AB; assault farm/stables (depending of faction) at the beginning because you wont be interrupted by the other side.
AV; go straight to the towers/bunkers of enemy base.
Good luck!
Post by
archmiffo
Ok, I dont really see the issue on this one.
Its not hard to do. The only problem with it really is the fact that everyone is trying at the same time, and therefore you have competition.
I'm not a PVP'er in any way, sort or form. I try to avoid PVP whenever I can. I'm bad at it simply put. I loose 90% of the time, and the times I do win is because of freak accidents, like my opponent happen to step of a cliff and drop down on razorsharp stones 100ft below, and even then its not certain I will win.
I did this achievement the first year, and found no direct problem in doing it. Yes, it took some work, and yes I had to queue up quite a few times, but if its given freely its not really an achievement either now, is it?
You say it's not hard to do but it is hard to do because there is competition. You say that it's easy to get but that it was difficult because it took some time, and then you conclude that if it was easy, then it wouldn't be an achievement.
As you can see you are contradicting yourself! All the OP is asking is that this achievement should require
under real world circumstances
an amount of time proportional to the other achievements of the Children's Week event. A sensible request, I think.
And let's not kid ourselves, virtually all the World Event achievements have as the only difficulty the fact that they need to be active to be earned.
No, you are putting words in my mouth.
One problem is NOT the same as a hard task.
Time consuming is NOT the same as difficult.
If finding one problem is hard for you, and its difficult having to have a bit of patience, you might want to seek help for that.
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Post by
Fathersqui
I just see this achievement as a "bang your head on you desk" type of deal coming from a pov of a pve player that had lived with hughes net most of his mmo life but with the other holiday pvp stuff is just get x number of hk while (instert conditon here). the hardest one i had to deal with was EoS but i say keep it but tweak it if needed.
Post by
Spinkert
From a personal pov, I'll admit I had serious problems in EOTS. I play clothies and am terrible at pvp, and I couldn't get anywhere near the flag without dying. It was the last thing I needed for the meta, so I asked a friend to play my char and do it for me, but not after I tried several times. The other bgs were easy to do, and from what I recall, WSG took the most attempts, I think I had to run 3 of them before I was able to complete it. In AV people just stepped away from the flag when I came in with my orphan. I run that bg quite a bit for the lulz, so straight out of the gate I legged it for a tower at the back.
It took me 3 years to get my proto-drake, having missed events due to being afk for extended periods of time. Don't give up. You will get there in the end.
This year, I'm determined to go for School on my other clothies because I want the satisfaction of completing it myself. If I can't, it doesn't really matter, but it would be great to do it without help. Perhaps it will inspire me to run EOTS frequently to get used to capping.
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Post by
Nathanyal
I just completed this achievement today after trying for three years. Three years of being ridiculed by my own faction when calling out my orphan, being griefed to prevent me from completing the various flag and node capturing aspects of the meta, and called all manner of profane & inappropriate names, spit on, farted on and just generally made to feel VERY unwelcome in the BGs trying to complete the so-called PvP parts of the achievement.
It's a ridiculous achievement and needs to be changed.
Period.
It's unfortunately pretty standard. Blizzard has always been light on enforcing their community to be decent functioning humans and your experience is testament to that.
So its up to Blizzard to make their players decent functioning humans? And here I thought it was suppose to be you who decides what you do.
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Post by
Nathanyal
The rules get enforced. But something like that doesn't go against the rules. Being 'griefed' like that is no different from being ganked. Blizzard has said that ganking is fine. Some players gank and like to do it. But when those same players are the ones being ganked, they get mad and go QQ on the forums. It happens and is part of the game.
And if the players grief/gank, its them to blame for doing it. Blizzard doesn't make them grief/gank the other player.
As for the last part. I see the point. If they say do not to do something, but someone does it anyway and not get any repercussions. Why bother telling them not to do it?
But this is different. They aren't breaking any rules. If they happen to target one player, how is that breaking the rules? If their strategy is to hold them at their GY while you cap flags/bases, how is that against the rules. If your group is any decent, you should be able to overcome those. If you go into something unprepared, then you have no one to blame but yourself.
Post by
Adamsm
A lot of pvpers complain about the pvp achievements...as they feel that 'kills' any PVP they have in the BG's; I still call that bull crap, but whatever.
As with all of the Long Strange Trip achievements: Suck it up and do it or don't as it's not a 'required' thing. It may take some time, it may take a few tries, but you can get it, just have to keep trying. If it was too easy, there wouldn't be a purpose to it, same as the Achievements for dungeons/raids.
Post by
Magician22773
Yesterday I have tried this achievement for the first time on my main (warrior). It was quite easy, I did EotS, WSG, AB and AV in that sequence. Got credit on the first try each with a really bad internetconnection.
to the OP, I would suggest to do this achievement on later hours when there is less competition.
EotS; might need some luck but if you focus you get can that flag
WSG; just keep focusing on the efc and you will be able to return it.
AB; assault farm/stables (depending of faction) at the beginning because you wont be interrupted by the other side.
AV; go straight to the towers/bunkers of enemy base.
Good luck!
Its pretty rare that I ever flat out call Bull^&*! on a post here. So much of this game is based on RNG and luck, that I am usually a believer in "anything is possible"
But here, I am gonna call Bull$%^&....at least a little. Its either bull!@#$, or you had the best luck in the game for 4 different BG's.
First, you are a Warrior. And second, you say you have a poor (laggy) connection. The one "guaranteed" flag cap in AB is always gonna go to a toon with both a speed boost, and a low ping....neither of which you have. Bot pallies and hunters have mounted speed boosts in some specs, and then you have rogues with sprint....druid dash...ect. Alas, it is possible to get a flag cap in WSG if you have a little help from the opposite faction....so I could see getting a flag cap on your first try as possible...but not the initial cap, unless everyone else in your group laid back and gave it to you.
Second. EotS. Actually this is one of the easier ones to get, as long as you dont have a d-bag in your group that trys to get more than one cap. Getting this one on the first try is probably the easiest of all 4.
Third, WSG. Again, its not like you are the only one "focusing on the EFC". I mean, even in a normal BG, that is kinda the point. So again, with your laggy connection, you had to have had both cooperation of the enemy, and cooperation of your team to get a return. Getting just members of your own faction not to be an ass is hard enough, ler alone getting both sides to work with you.
Last, AV. See comments on AB. You dont just have to get to a tower, you have to get to it before the other 24 people going for the same achivement do. You gotta get past the guards pelting you with arrows (that interupt capping the flag) and you have to click the flag first with a crappy connection.
So grats IF you really pulled all this off, in order, in one try. But IF that really is the case, than I would suggest you stop playing WoW long enough to g buy a lotta ticket, because you obviously have the starts aligned in your favor...in a major way.
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Post by
dumac
I do see why OP may think it is bad design of blizz to make the achieve this way, not because the achieve is super hard to get, rather it is disrupting the purpose of BG. If blizz wanted more people to do BG, having half or more of your team ignoring the objectives just to get the achieve done is not really cool for people who want to pvp. It would make more sense if WSG was win with 3 flags to 0 or something while orphan out.
if you wanna talk about bad achieve call, i would say master angler of Azeroth takes the &*!@, serious 104 winner a year and can be done multiple times and is required to get meta done. On a low pop server this may be not too hard but try to do it on a medium or high pop server and you will know the meaning of hell. They should write it off the meta so the meta is more a competition against yourself like all true fishermen sets. That is the only achieve I have some trouble with due it is so out of place compared to the other achieve you do as a fisherman who is more a race against yourself and the fish.
Post by
Undreadll
I fail to see the issue, the achievement is pretty straightforward and simple to get, you don't even need much if any PvP gear to get. This achievement really isn't anywhere as difficult as you make it out to be. and if it is so what? some achievements are meants to be difficult. PvP isn't your thing? So what, PvP is a major aspect of the game and if you ignore parts of the game you're going to miss out on a few things
This, exactly. It's easy as hell unless you just get extremely unlucky or have absolutely no time to invest into getting it, but that's your problem not Blizz's. The "difficulty" of this achievement is blown waaaay out of proportion.
Post by
Kinbuzz
It's an achievement. Some achievements are hard, some arn't. This one apparently is.
Post by
Orranis
As an avid PvPer, I agree.
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