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lonewarrior
They aren't complaining. They are stating facts. Furthermore, I suggest you remove your rose coloured glasses and have a real good think about this, and whether you would actually play for more than an hour under the old conditions. The mere thought of walking till 40 gives me the heebie jeebies.
Really...so the 11.5 million that were already playing at the end of TBC and who had to walked through most of that (Patch 2.4.3 7/15/2008 dropped to level 30)..were what...wearing "rosed coloured glass" and weren't really enjoying the game. O.o
Like I said many times before..you could take the Vanilla/TBC community and put them in the current game and it would flourish will little/no nerfing/buffing adjustments by Blizz.
Take the lot of the current community and put them back in Van/TBC and the game would have folded long ago.
You have a strange understanding of the phrase "wearing rose coloured glasses". It doesn't mean what I think you think it means. It means to view the past as being better than it really was or more enjoyable than it really was. Furthermore, walking till 40 was one of many examples I could have chosen to illustrate my point.
Did it bother me at the time? No, it didn't, but you couldn't pay me enough money now to stay unmounted till level 40. If I got transported back in time, as is, with full cognizance of the evolution of the game and the state of WoW-Cataclysm, I can say with complete certainty that I would hate WoW-circa 2004. Some things would be nice to see again, yes, but the game would overwhelmingly suck. I would no longer be able to tolerate many many things about it.
I realize this next comment may go totally over the heads of the majority of the forum contributors, but I'm probably twice the age of the average Wowhead reader, and it really is true - You can't go home again. What is past is past. Even if you could make it the same it wouldn't be the same.
Let it go, and let your memories mellow and ripen and bring you pleasant interludes.
Maybe the twice the age of the average forum contributor..but not me. :)
My understanding is how it is used towards other people who have fond memories of the past.
It's a perception. You would hate to go back to level 40 mounts, fine...that never bothered me, even if Blizz went back to it tomorrow.
So when posters say "rose coloured glasses" in essence they are implying that anyone who say they enjoyed WoW back then more then today or that it was better are delusional.
That some how if they could go back and play it again..they wouldn't get the same experience, because they could compare it to today's game and see how inferior it was.
That's where I stand up and say they are wrong.
The first mistake people who post that comment make is to separate the community from the game. You can't.
They are symbiotic.
The experiences of the game back then encompassed both what a player had to do to progress and his interaction with the server community to do it.
Just using your level mount 40 example...I would rather walk back then to level 40 finding players everywhere
to join with me and share that experience and building server bonds, than to be given a mount at level 20 and never interacting or even seeing anyone.
But that's just me. If you or anyone else sees their experience differently then share your own views without slighting others,
otherwise it comes across as sour grapes for somehow missing out on what others enjoyed.
Peace !
PS... just to add one other thing. I was able to build a guild of some of the finest people you could find playing this game. We built something so special that today years later we still stay connected, even though many have left the game.
I won't trade the people that came through my guild for a full legendary set custom made by Lich King himself.
It was possible because the way the game/community was back in Van/TBC and even the early part of Wrath.
That fraternizing that made it possible to connect to one another.
Now that I have toons in guilds all over the WoW server map and seeing what's going on today... I can say with all certainty that it would be impossible to accomplish the same feat in today's climate.
Not that the people aren't still out there, the gaps between them have grown to large.
That's not rose coloured glasses...that's the truth.
Post by
Magician22773
So many people keep using the "walk until 40" arguement. And iala (i think it was) said that "maybe a few hundred people" would actually want to play this way.
There is a "sub-culture" now in the game of players that are doing what has been dubbed the "ironman" challenge. It has reached enough of a following it is even in this weeks blue news. These players are leveling with no gear other than white or gray vendor gear, using no talents, glyphs, or enchants...and if your toons dies...for any reason, you delete it.
Now what sounds like more of a pain...walking for 40 levels, or attempting this stunt?
And yet, on the official forums there are 90 pages of posts from people participating in this.
I guarantee you....I would bet my ass on it...that if Blizz would open up a Vanilla realm and a BC realm, that it would be one of, if not the single higest populated server in the system. Im not saying I would abandon my other toons, but I damn sure would have a toon or two on a classic server, as would many, many others.
Hell, no one is asking Blizz to revert the whole damn game to Vanilla or BC....just to allow older players a way to revisit old memories, and new players to see what made the game what it is today.
Its not "rose colored glasses" here. No one is saying that is way easy to "walk til 40". It was, however, a big deal back then to actually get your mount. Guildies would chip in the gold for you to buy your first ride.....groups would spend a couple hours helping a Warlock get their Dreadsteed.
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lonewarrior
Its not "rose colored glasses" here. No one is saying that is way easy to "walk til 40". It was, however, a big deal back then to actually get your mount. Guildies would chip in the gold for you to buy your first ride.....groups would spend a couple hours helping a Warlock get their Dreadsteed.
imho - it was a big deal to get your mount at 40 because running across zones for 40 levels was very time consuming. I never had a ton of time to put into the game, so actually doing content vs spending a lot of time running was huge for me. It's all relative. I mean, if Blizz gave you your first mount at lvl 80, then it would be an "even bigger deal" to get your mount. However, does that make the game better? Maybe it does for you. I don't know.
Thinking about it, it might be interesting to have a server where no one gets mounts. Leveling would take a lot longer, but maybe it would be more immersive. As cool as flying is, there is only one zone in the game really designed to use the 3rd dimension, and that is Vash'jir. Every other zone, flying is just used to skip stuff or access stuff.
I think what we can say with Magic's post is that your level 40 mount was in essence your first taste of major progression accomplishment...almost akin to getting your first raid epic.
Who didn't ride around for 1/2 hour back then just for the frill.
I remember my whole questing party following me on their mounts all the way to menethil harbor in the Wetlands to help me pick out a mount that they were helping me to pay for.(gold was not so easy back then) of course I picked out the black beauty(only available in Menethil :))
A silly moment of course in the grand scheme of the things...but one that make up the memories of the days spent playing.
These types of moments have been traded in for expediency. A player today can mount up in one solo session of quest leveling. Those points of "graduation" have been diluted.
Does that mean the second+ times we had to do it over was just as much fun...of course not.
But that's where the company of guildmates compensated.
Just to finalize my view...I just want to go on record that I'm not in favor of nostalgic servers.
We don't need to keep fracturing the community. The game needs to continually move forward.
What I always have been in favor of was for the game to have evolved by bringing the best of the previous versions forward.
But that effectively ended with the patch of ToC in Wrath. For all intent and purpose that is when the game reset, because that is when progression reset.
The residual effect on leveling was now to get out of the woods and up to max level as soon as possible or you would miss current contents with the next patch release.
The currents of the game changed directions and took the community with it.
The game cultivated a new mindset. It went from where ever you were in the game to where ever everyone else was in the game.
I know I should probably write a bunch of other paragraphs to explain that, but I'm just going to have to rely on people understanding what that means. I really do try to avoid overly long posts :P
Best example...watching those animal documentaries showing millions of wildebeest all crammed up to a raging rivers edge trying to get to that next patch of green grass before it gets eaten(the communities hungry for content access) . The crocs all around trying to steal a kill.(the ninjas & numbnuts). As they cross they don't care who they step on to get what's theirs.(LFR loot problems)
This is not the game evolving.
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