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Post by
Magician22773
A Minnesota State Trooper pulled over an 84 year old woman for speeding on State Hwy 210. the Trooper asked the woman for her license and insurance card. Along with this information, the elderly lady also presented the Trooper with her Concealed Carry permit.
The Trooper asked the woman if she had any weapons in the car, and she responded, "Yes, I have a .45 in glovebox, a 9mm in the center console, and a .38 in my handbag."
Surprised by the answer, the Trooper asked the woman, "What are you so afraid of?"
She looked him straight in the eye and replied, "Not a F---ing thing!"
I gotta love this woman! I also love the fact that the Constitution guarantees me the right to bear arms, to protect myself, and my family.
With Off-Topics wide range of personalities, and members from so many other countries, I thought tis might make for a good conversation. What are your thoughts and opinions on the right to an armed society?
Post by
Levarus
Defend yourself, or End yourself. That's my opinion.
Post by
Azazel
America lives in a world of fear. You NEED the guns to protect yourself and your family, who knows if a burglar should come into your house and try to kill you? I think the US is waaaaay too crazy about guns. Over here, almost nobody has them. It's a different world. In the US, people will think you're crazy if you don't have a gun. Over here, people will think you're crazy if you DO have a gun. It's baffling how different the two cultures are, as to how you are a good parent (in relation to guns, obviously).
Bowling for Columbine is a great movie (it's about guns in America, basically) and Michael Moore makes such good points in it. I think it won an oscar actually. I definitely recommend watching it if you're interested in this subject.
Post by
Levarus
America lives in a world of fear. You NEED the guns to protect yourself and your family, who knows if a burglar should come into your house and try to kill you? I think the US is waaaaay too crazy about guns. Over here, almost nobody has them. It's a different world. In the US, people will think you're crazy if you don't have a gun. Over here, people will think you're crazy if you DO have a gun. It's baffling how different the two cultures are, as to how you are a good parent (in relation to guns, obviously).
Bowling for Columbine is a great movie (it's about guns in America, basically) and Michael Moore makes such good points in it. I think it won an oscar actually. I definitely recommend watching it if you're interested in this subject.
You'd be surprised how strict they are about guns here.
Post by
Azazel
America lives in a world of fear. You NEED the guns to protect yourself and your family, who knows if a burglar should come into your house and try to kill you? I think the US is waaaaay too crazy about guns. Over here, almost nobody has them. It's a different world. In the US, people will think you're crazy if you don't have a gun. Over here, people will think you're crazy if you DO have a gun. It's baffling how different the two cultures are, as to how you are a good parent (in relation to guns, obviously).
Bowling for Columbine is a great movie (it's about guns in America, basically) and Michael Moore makes such good points in it. I think it won an oscar actually. I definitely recommend watching it if you're interested in this subject.
You'd be surprised how strict they are about guns here.
In the movie I mentioned above, he got a bolt-action hunting rifle for opening an account in a bank..
Post by
Levarus
Movies =/= Real Life?
Post by
Azazel
Movies =/= Real Life?
It's a documentary.
Post by
Levarus
I knew that -.-
Post by
Azazel
I knew that -.-
I'm sure you did :P
Post by
pezz
Michael Moore's documentaries aren't always 100% grounded in reality.
I definitely think a society with less of a fixation on guns is good, on balance. The U.S. has surprisingly high murder rates and a hell of a lot of guns. However, I'm also sympathetic to the argument that gun control is much more likely to reduce the amount of sensible, moral people with guns (who, one hopes, are a deterrent to crime) than they are likely to reduce the amount of would-be or actual murderers and robbers with guns. If someone could find a way to make the U.S. a less gun-focused society without running into that problem, I'd be very interested in what s/he had to say.
Post by
Azazel
Michael Moore's documentaries aren't always 100% grounded in reality.
Doubt any documentaries are. But he makes good points nonetheless.
I know I sound a little zealous about Michael and that movie, but it's all I have :P Inside knowledge and all.
Post by
Magician22773
I can't say I am a Michael Moore fan...I think he is as nutty as a fruitcake, but...
We do have a car lot here that runs a promotion every year (about the same time deer hunting season starts) that is "Buy a Car, Get a Gun". Of course, you can choose $500 off the car, but who whould wanna do that!
If I somehow knew that magically all the guns would disappear at the same time, especially the criminals guns, I would not be as concerned. Except that I also am a hunter (but thats really not the topic at hand). But since that isn't ever going to happen, again, I feel it necessary to have the ability to protect myself from an armed criminal. I'm a pretty big guy. I could probably defend myself, hand-to-hand against 75% or better of anyone out there. With the adrenaline rush of protecting my family, I'd say make that 90%...but a 1 legged criminal in a wheelchair with a 9mm, and I have little to no chance.
The way I see it, all the problems with guns are created by the criminals and the idiots. I am well trained with my firearms. I keep everything except my personal concealed weapon unloaded, in a locked cabinet, with trigger locks on every gun. I have the only key to the cabinet, and the only key to the trigger locks. My concealed weapon is kept in a fast access lock box when it is not attached to my body. If all "responsible" gun owners took these same steps, "accidental" shootings would never happen.
Something I have always seen as "proof" that firearms do prevent crime is the comparison of Gas stations and Pawn shops. Many pawn shops have tens of thousands of dollars in cash on hand, and valuable jewelery, electronics, and other items on display at all times. Gas stations have maybe a few hundred dollars in cash, and cigarettes and beer on hand. However, gas stations get robbed almost every week around here, and in 38 years, I have never once heard of a Pawn shop being held up.
Why?
The pawn shop employees are all armed. Most of them carry open, unconcealed weapons. Gas station attendants are not allowed to be armed.
Post by
Gone
It's a different world. In the US,
people will think you're crazy if you don't have a gun
.
Wtf are you talking about, maybe in Texas or something. Honestly its a big country, it depends where you live. Jeez you remind me of my girlfriend, she was born in the Czech Republic and she has so many American stereotype images in her head that she gets from TV and *!@#.
Also looking at the title of this thread reminded me of the episode of All in the Family where Archie goes on TV to talk about gun controll, hilarious stuff. I rewatch the theme song of that show and it rings more true today than it ever did, those were the days indeed. Although idk where I get off saying that since Im in my early twenties lol.
Post by
Firallon
Gun control is a steady hand and strong up bringing. I read somewhere about a place where guns where outlawed for a time (Australia, I believe, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong) and the violent crime rate went
up
due to honest citizens not having a means to protect themselves. Just because the law changes doesn't mean the criminals who already don't care about breaking the law will give up their firearms.
Are Americans obsessed with firearms? No, not really. Most people I know who didn't grow up in the boon docks have never discharged a firearm, so there is a mystic about them. They either don't respect them enough, seeing them as toys and a means of entertainment (thank you Call of Duty), or they're scared sh!tless.
Gun control is often linked to violent crime rates in major cities. Here's the deal though: Most criminals don't take the time to learn and follow the rules of firearms, because they just don't care.
I'm a proponent of true gun control: proper education from a young age. I shot my first .22 at 4, I had a shot gun by 10. My daughters will be the same way.
Post by
xlanadenx
America lives in a world of fear. You NEED the guns to protect yourself and your family, who knows if a burglar should come into your house and try to kill you? I think the US is waaaaay too crazy about guns. Over here, almost nobody has them. It's a different world. In the US, people will think you're crazy if you don't have a gun. Over here, people will think you're crazy if you DO have a gun. It's baffling how different the two cultures are, as to how you are a good parent (in relation to guns, obviously).
Bowling for Columbine is a great movie (it's about guns in America, basically) and Michael Moore makes such good points in it. I think it won an oscar actually. I definitely recommend watching it if you're interested in this subject.
I can't help but wonder how you're so sure about how certain people act in a country you don't live in. You do realize that not everybody here owns a gun, right? Hell, I live in Texas and there aren't very many who own a gun and use it outside of hunting. Granted there are gun nuts out there and they go to conventions but there's a convention for everything out there. Anime, furries, video games, Star Trek, Star Wars. There's even a convention for Modern Warfare 3 and only Modern Warfare 3! How much entertainment could you get out of that?
I seriously hope you aren't basing this entire post and your views off of a
film
by
Michael Moore
.
America
The world lives in a world of fear.
Ftfy.
Post by
865056
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Post by
MyTie
America lives in a world of fear. You NEED the guns to protect yourself and your family, who knows if a burglar should come into your house and try to kill you? I think the US is waaaaay too crazy about guns. Over here, almost nobody has them. It's a different world. In the US, people will think you're crazy if you don't have a gun. Over here, people will think you're crazy if you DO have a gun. It's baffling how different the two cultures are, as to how you are a good parent (in relation to guns, obviously).
Bowling for Columbine is a great movie (it's about guns in America, basically) and Michael Moore makes such good points in it. I think it won an oscar actually. I definitely recommend watching it if you're interested in this subject.
I was going to tear this apart, but it looks like everyone else did for me. Michael Moore is part of the "hate America first" crowd. I saw the movie. It was dumb.
Post by
Azazel
America lives in a world of fear. You NEED the guns to protect yourself and your family, who knows if a burglar should come into your house and try to kill you? I think the US is waaaaay too crazy about guns. Over here, almost nobody has them. It's a different world. In the US, people will think you're crazy if you don't have a gun. Over here, people will think you're crazy if you DO have a gun. It's baffling how different the two cultures are, as to how you are a good parent (in relation to guns, obviously).
Bowling for Columbine is a great movie (it's about guns in America, basically) and Michael Moore makes such good points in it. I think it won an oscar actually. I definitely recommend watching it if you're interested in this subject.
I can't help but wonder how you're so sure about how certain people act in a country you don't live in. You do realize that not everybody here owns a gun, right? Hell, I live in Texas and there aren't very many who own a gun and use it outside of hunting. Granted there are gun nuts out there and they go to conventions but there's a convention for everything out there. Anime, furries, video games, Star Trek, Star Wars. There's even a convention for Modern Warfare 3 and only Modern Warfare 3! How much entertainment could you get out of that?
I seriously hope you aren't basing this entire post and your views off of a
film
by
Michael Moore
.
Nope. I've seen plenty more. I've been there (granted, I was only 2 years old, but my parents have told me a lot, we have friends over there).
I live in Texas and there aren't very many who own a gun and use it outside of hunting. See, this is what I'm talking about. They aren't made for killing people in any way, but it's still guns.
I'll never be able to understand the American gun mentality heh.
Post by
Patty
I've always thought that America's gun laws were too relaxed. I also don't think that people should feel the need to carry a gun in their home to feel safe, which I know is the case for quite a few people, including in the US. Nowhere is ever completely safe, including where I live, but that doesn't mean that I don't feel secure without a weapon on my persons or where I know would be easily accessible to me. Sure, if someone tried to rob us I'm sure there would be makeshift weapons lying around (as almost anything can be used as a weapon if you improvise enough!), but thinking about that doesn't reassure me at all. In fact, that frightens me a little.
In the UK as a whole, knife crime is a generally larger problem than gun crime, and what I've seen consistently reported by police is that if you carry a weapon, you're more likely to be doing yourself harm than good, even if its only there to be used if you need to defend yourself. By carrying the weapon, you carry the statement that you're willing to use it, even if when it comes down to it you may not be, or not be quick/strong enough to strike first. I'm sure that would apply in quite a few instances with gun crime, too.
Post by
Levarus
I've always thought that America's gun laws were too relaxed. I also don't think that people should feel the need to carry a gun in their home to feel safe, which I know is the case for quite a few people, including in the US. Nowhere is ever completely safe, including where I live, but that doesn't mean that I don't feel secure without a weapon on my persons or where I know would be easily accessible to me. Sure, if someone tried to rob us I'm sure there would be makeshift weapons lying around (as almost anything can be used as a weapon if you improvise enough!), but thinking about that doesn't reassure me at all. In fact, that frightens me a little.
In the UK as a whole, knife crime is a generally larger problem than gun crime, and what I've seen consistently reported by police is that if you carry a weapon, you're more likely to be doing yourself harm than good, even if its only there to be used if you need to defend yourself. By carrying the weapon, you carry the statement that you're willing to use it, even if when it comes down to it you may not be, or not be quick/strong enough to strike first. I'm sure that would apply in quite a few instances with gun crime, too.
AK-47 > Knife
That's why I feel safe at home.
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