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91278
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Post by
gnomerdon
I would've won tho.......if I wasn't poked in the eye but then I took an arrow in the knee.
T__T
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588688
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Post by
Orranis
That was probably the most narrow-minded, ignorant, and in part straight up idiotic thing thing I've seen or heard in a rather long time. I'd love to pick it apart piece by piece, but at this point I don't think it's worth the effort. I think you had about two arguably true sentences in that entire post, which I agree with, and those were the first two. As a 'kid today,' the only response I really feel that post deserves is "No."
So you feel that I am mistaken, and children today are brought up to respect one another? You don't feel that too much time goes to useless nonsense? I'd love to hear your supporting arguments. This is about how your post looks to me:
The keywords being 'kids today.' I'd argue that kids have never been raised as you stated they would, and if anything it's only gotten better. But let's get down to business shall we?
But, in the end, none of that will fix the problem. The only way you will fix bullying, is by teaching kids to be loving and kind and stand up for what is good and right. Kids today are raised by the the oakland raiders, Zelda, and the Kardashians, and morals are taught by fellow students, and 4chan. Parents took a rain check, went to the bar to piss away Junior's college money, and complain about how the economy hurt them so much. Instead of handwriting and math, kids have sex ed. Instead of philosophy, kids have Hannah Montana. Instead of reading, kids have iphones.
What did we expect? A righteous and moral youth that supports each other and expresses love for all?
Now I want to understand, as someone who had to google what it was, if there's a distinction between The Oakland Raiders kids grow up with today and any other Football team a kid would follow back in the day. Zelda? You have a problem with Zelda? Zelda is a story about fighting for what's right, being brave, using wisdom, and most importantly that the abuse of power is evil. That's just the Triforce. Half the entire game is helping people out, the other half is problem solving. Morals are taught by everyone around them, that's how morals work. You're making an incredibly sweeping generalization about kids that assumes so so much. I doubt even 10% of children today have visited 4chan. I'm not going to go into this one as it'll spark a debate completely off topic. Who in the hell do you think watches Hannah Montana? Freshmen college students? Older high-school students? Do you think the same people who are watching Montana, even if just by age-group (i.e. averaging say, 12 and under to be I'd say generous) are the people who would in another generation be learning philosophy? Is it impossible to read on an iPhone? Literature is more easily accessible than it has ever been. The kids who want to read will read, the others won't, same as it ever was.
Kids today aren't learning the important things in life, like respect.I'm a kid and nu-huh.
To me it looks more like this:
Televisions/Videogames/iPhones are making kids bad people.
That's bull@#$%.
Plenty of kids aren't learning respect, that has nothing to do with 'this generation.' Bullying didn't start with the second millennium.
Post by
MyTie
Televisions/Videogames/iPhones are making kids bad people.
That's bull@#$%.
I think you misunderstand what I was trying to say. First of all, I don't think that bullying is a new thing. Earlier in this very thread I explained that I was bullied when I was a kid. Second of all, I don't think there are particular issues with Zelda, or the iphone, or any of that, but there is a problem when that is where kids have to go to learn morals. It isn't the presence of these things that I feel is a problem, but the absence of positive parental influence, which causes kids to rely on these things for direction. Third, and lastly, I never said this was a trait of ALL kids today. What I meant was what I have seen of bullies today. Kids that have problems. The problems, very often, originate from absentee or poor parenting.
But I think you are taking my post way to seriously. I didn't spend an hour typing it, and I didn't mean for it to be used as a summary judgement of an entire generation. It's just some observations, and a bit of a rant. I don't understand why you responded with such flare, as if this were less of my casual observations of a generation, and more like I punched your grandma in the face. Calm down, please.
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865056
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Post by
Orranis
Televisions/Videogames/iPhones are making kids bad people.
That's bull@#$%.
I think you misunderstand what I was trying to say. First of all, I don't think that bullying is a new thing. Earlier in this very thread I explained that I was bullied when I was a kid. Second of all, I don't think there are particular issues with Zelda, or the iphone, or any of that, but there is a problem when that is where kids have to go to learn morals. It isn't the presence of these things that I feel is a problem, but the absence of positive parental influence, which causes kids to rely on these things for direction. Third, and lastly, I never said this was a trait of ALL kids today. What I meant was what I have seen of bullies today. Kids that have problems. The problems, very often, originate from absentee or poor parenting.
But I think you are taking my post way to seriously. I didn't spend an hour typing it, and I didn't mean for it to be used as a summary judgement of an entire generation. It's just some observations, and a bit of a rant. I don't understand why you responded with such flare, as if this were less of my casual observations of a generation, and more like I punched your grandma in the face. Calm down, please.
I responded with flair because I found your post ridiculous. Can we agree that none of this has to do with 'kids today' as opposed to just 'kids?' Bad parents have been around for about as long as well... Humans.
Edit: And I feel it's just bad influences in general, I believe it's possible to have perfectly adequate (though perhaps not perfect) parents but a myriad of other factors that lead a child down that road.
Edit 2: And I completely agree with the heart of what you're trying to say: The only way to stop bullying is to make kids more loving and caring individuals.
Post by
MyTie
You said "kids today." Kids today are kids of today. You did not say "some kids," or, as you now claim you meant, "bullies." Not all bullies are kids, so when you say "kids today," despite the topic, bullies is not implied. If by "kids today," you did not mean the kids of today, you should have clarified.
If your post is not meant to be taken seriously, maybe you should have reconsidered posting. It is easy to tell someone to calm down and pretend to be civil. As far as I know, mocking the people that argue points opposite to yours is not considered respectful behavior. I think that if you were more kind and less condescending you would find that people would be more quick to adopt your opinions.
I'm fully capable of not being clear enough. If 'kids today' in a topic about bullies is not specific enough, and I should have said 'bullies today', to be clearer, or even to say that 'bullies today, although bullying is not a new concept to this age', to be even more clearer, then I think you may be expecting too much. I'm not going to completely avoid posting based on the fact that my posts aren't perfect. This is not a matter of life and death. This is a wowhead debate. Lighten up. I didn't disrespect anyone. I didn't condescend toward anyone. I made some observations about children's lives during our time. This is pretty far from the maniac insult throwing crazy man you make me out to be here. This isn't to mean that my posts shouldn't be taken seriously. I just mean that if someone has a problem with what I'm saying, they should be able to say "what do you mean", and not fly off the handle.I responded with flair because I found your post ridiculous. Can we agree that none of this has to do with 'kids today' as opposed to just 'kids?' Bad parents have been around for about as long as well... Humans.
Edit: And I feel it's just bad influences in general, I believe it's possible to have perfectly adequate (though perhaps not perfect) parents but a myriad of other factors that lead a child down that road.
Edit 2: And I completely agree with the heart of what you're trying to say: The only way to stop bullying is to make kids more loving and caring individuals.
My distinction between 'kids today', and 'kids', is that I'm not aware of how kids were raised 100 years ago, or more. I know there were probably problems with bullying, etc. My observations are pretty limited to today's age, so that is what I'm speaking to. There was no contrast with kids of older years. There was no 'kids in my time respected their elders'. There was no condescending on my part toward younger generations. I think people are so used to hearing that, that it was UNDERSTOOD in my post, when it wasn't my intention to communicate that at all. When I say KIDS TODAY, that's exactly what I mean. I don't mean to contrast with other ages. I leave out kids of other ages because I don't know about them. There may have been times and places were kids were respectful, and that's how they were raised. But again, I don't know.
I think this was all quite a large misunderstanding. When I said 'kids today', you guys read it as some sort of comparison between 'in my day' and 'in your day'. Instead, it was just stuff that I see a deficit in, which, incidentally, we agree on. I think that more was read into my post than what is there, due to the word 'today'.
Post by
Firallon
This
makes me feel a little better. Hazing and bullying are no different, and I'm glad to see the Army make an example of this situation. Especially the officer in charge, since its his job to prevent things like this from happening.
Post by
UnholyDeciever
Personally I find bullying a sort of it's a part of life type of thing. Kids taunt each other it happens, if it does become an issue where a child is thinking of committing suicide the children should have a sit down and the problem is addressed. The school bullying needs to be taken up at the school no further, schools are overstepping their boundaries, if the issue of bullying does go home with the child then possibly juvenile officer should handle it.
Edit: Firallon i agree the people who actually beat him should be charged and the officers should have maintained a professional demeanor. But "chinese jokes" should they really hurt Chen he should have brought up it chain of command. Also I agree with the children's saying "Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me."
Post by
gamerunknown
I'd have to go with
adults
on this one. Verbal abuse can entail stress induced illness: years of torment may cause more damage than a slap in the face, but the latter is more likely to be prosecuted... and I'm a pretty strident advocate of free speech.
As for criminal convictions: the guy that woke me up on the bus on my 16th birthday by slapping and punching me in the face ended up in a young offenders (not as a result of any testimony on my part though). While I appreciate the fact that children should receive separate courts than adults, when they commit offences that'd have adults locked up for several years, especially over a long period of time or with premeditation or gloat after the fact, schools are probably not the best qualified institutions to deal with them.
Post by
161638
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Post by
UnholyDeciever
There was a link with military members involved, was most likely removed. Also MTI's just scare the %^&* out of you(they used to be able to hit you btw, not allowed anymore) they use everything they can to tear you down and rebuild you as a soldier.
Post by
Spinkert
Bullying doesn't just happen on the playground. What about when it happens to adults, by adults? Beating them up won't help - that's considered assault. Bullies aren't worth going to jail for.
It happened to me at work and the person who did it, whilst not my in-line manager, was the Company Secretary. Over several years I had seen her to do it to her assistants - over the top shouting and screaming, rudeness, creating a hostile environment and on one occasion repeatedly demanding the resignation of one over a minor issue. She would absolutely lose it, throwing things, slamming doors, swearing. Two of her assistants became pregnant whilst working for her, and she became nastier to them once the pregnancy was revealed. They were both so stressed with being pregnant that, although there was enough reason and evidence to take her to an employment tribunal, neither of them could deal with it, so they put up with it until they left to have their babies and they never returned. I sat there and watched it happen, powerless to do anything because of company culture. I complained to HR about what she was doing to them, but nothing was done because I wasn't the victim. I had also overheard her on the phone to her boyfriend, treating him in the same manner, so it wasn't anything out of the ordinary for her - as far as she was concerned, it was perfectly normal behaviour.
She did it to me a few times over things I had nothing to do it - I was simply the bearer of paperwork or news she wasn't happy with. I lost it one day and shouted back, and told her she was NOT going to speak to me like that. I went to HR and filed a complaint with my HR rep. I was told the rep would get back to me with how to proceed further. A couple of weeks or so went by, and I had heard nothing, so I contacted HR, only to be told that they had assumed everything was fine since I hadn't contacted them again and I was furious, because that was not what I had been told at the meeting. I stated that I had been lied to in order to cover up the problem, which was the CS's behaviour. I began to dread going to work, and some mornings I woke up in tears, knowing I had to go in and be around her.
Find another job, you say? I loved my own department, it was just damn bad luck that my department and her department shared the same office space. And why should I let her push me out? This job suited my lifestyle better than any other job I'd ever had - I had a job in the City of London, working in the line of business I knew well and I didn't even have to wear a suit - a major perk! Work 35 hours a week, had 6 weeks holiday a year. Had so much downtime whilst on the job that I could spend hours learning about the various departments in the company, learning about how its products were made and loving that side of things.
However, after that last chat with HR, I was informed I would be sent for training - to improve my attitude and work relationships! That made me absolutely furious. I can't recall what the course was, but I explained to the teacher what had happened, and he told me that the CS was in the wrong, that she was the person who should be on the course, not me.
When I returned from the course, I had to fill out a form to send to HR explaining how the course would help me in my line of work. I distinctly remember saying that it had taught me that the company was wrong, that the CS should have been on the course and that I know knew to never bother going to HR again because they wouldn't solve the problem but would instead punish the person who dared to complain.
Her behaviour continued and I was targeted on several occasions. I became so stressed and depressed that I was signed off work and have not been back for nearly 3 years. I suffer from anxiety and panic attacks. I can't bear to be around people. I have become a recluse. I used to go out walking around, exploring where I live. It's all I can to do go to the shops now. I can't go somewhere new without someone with me without going into a panic. I lost a lot of weight - I went from a healthy, decent looking 140 pounds to 107. I became suicidal and checked myself into a mental hospital for a couple of weeks to get help. It wasn't solely due to her behaviour but it was most definitely a contributing factor in my downward spiral.
Creating a hostile work environment is bullying, it does have terrible effects on people, and refusing to do something about it and blaming the people it happens to shows a distinct lack of care. Because of how badly it was dealt with, I lost the ability to trust the 'chain of command'. I lost faith that the company had the employees' best interests at heart when it came to bullying in the work place. Had I been sexually harrassed, I wonder if it would have gone differently. If she had hit me, I could have called the police. But because she never crossed that line, it was somehow ok for her to behave like that, and I, amongst many others, was supposed to take it.
Post by
gamerunknown
Really sorry to hear that, Spinkert.
'chain of command'
That's one of the inherent problems in the workplace. I'm not saying that everything would be solved for you if it were altered, but the same language is used to oppose democratisation of the workplace as was used to oppose suffrage for women, those that didn't own land and ethnic minorities. The principle that the head of an institution is munificent and knows more about how to direct the lives of others is a distinctly feudal one, but political power still rests in the hands of the landed few, people that are unwilling to relinquish that power. If she were accountable to her employees or those she managed (as in, they could vote to terminate her contract, rather than only her manager having that power), do you think that kind of behaviour would persist?
Post by
OverZealous
I'm deeply sorry to hear that, Spinkert - I hope that things will work out for you in the end.
Post by
woohaa
See Spinkert's story is why when i hear about some shooting or killing or some crazy thing on the news that happened because of bullying i can't help but sympathize. Bullys push their victims to the edge and when people in charge don't help their left with only a few choices. Fight back, deal with it (never works), or break down.
When they fight back they'll probably get thrown in jail for assault or kill someone and still end up in jail. Dealing with it will still end up in the other 2 options and breaking down is just what happened to spinkert. It's no way to live your life and it's not fair cause they didn't do anything wrong. Sometimes you end up killing yourself because of after effects of depression or anxiety.
I understand that people in authority need to learn to deal with bullying better but i think it'd be a good idea for schools to teach kids what bullying can and will lead to. Maybe they don't care if their victims kills themselves...but what if their victim shows up and shoots everyone they consider responsible even the people that just stood by and watched it happen?
Post by
Transducer
Bullies deserve as much suffering and pain as possible.
OR!
Stupid idiotic societies can learn to give a damn and stop them from ever getting out of control. :)
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