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Lore wise which expansion do you like most?
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Post by
keyur
In Warcraft 3 they give justice to whole lore in gameplay but in World of Warcraft there isnt feel of story. In WoW we need to read short stories and all novels to know about lore. And now there will be MoP expansion so lore will be written somehow when they launch expansion.
I like Wrath of Lich King Expansion lore wise. Whats your favorite? And in Warcraft - Reign of Chaos.
Post by
Adamsm
Cataclysm has my all time favorite Warcraft villain: Deathwing, but it also had the worst zone story line ever: Harrison Jones unearths the mysteries of Uldum...too many cut scenes, not enough actual story which cut out the interesting story line: All about the Tol'vir and what was going on with them.
BC had good areas in the zones for lore, but the Illidan was done horribly, but at least KJ made up for it.
Wrath.....ugh, anything not involved with the Lich King was good but the plot hole large enough to drop a planet through with horrible writing was completely unneeded.
As for Vanilla: If you read the quests as you did them, they explained things; they just got a massive over haul in Cata to add more depth to the Lore and the zones with the revamps of the quests.
Post by
keyur
too many cut scenes, not enough actual story which cut out the interesting story line: All about the Tol'vir and what was going on with them.
I started wow in WoLK so cant judge previous expansion. But I am agree with you on actual story part. But still I feel the quests are best designed in cata compare to other expansion - atleast I dont get bored during questing...:D
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Post by
Morec0
Cataclysm seemed to have a good story, yes there wre holes and things in it that were never fully expanded upoin (Al'akir) but everything else was good. Wrath would have to be second, despite the plot holes the story it meant to tell was a great one.
TBC and Classic are tied for last, I never managed to pull out a direct, major overlapping story out of either of them.
Post by
Rankkor
Has to be WOTLK.
Massive Plot hole aside, it had the best narrative, best zone cohesion (of which there is none in cataclysm) and MY GOD Storm Peaks and Ulduar HAVE to be the best zone-dungeon-Raid transition EVER.
As a horde player this was even more deep, the way the story was connected from the Taunka Post in borean tundra, to Agmar's Hammer on Dragonblight, to Icemist Village and all the way to Wrath's Gate to climax on Battle for Undercity was AWESOME. Then there's the bit with drakuru that starts in grizzly hills and ends in Zul'drak.
I have my issues with cataclysm because while the low level zones are AMAZING, the high lvl ones suck majorly.
Hyjal = was great, good ambience, good storyline, good cohesion with its raid, a nice daily hub, This is one of 2 zones that was actually well done. My only issue with this zone is that it has exclusively neutral quests, no faction quests at all. Choosing a Faction should matter, there should had been at least a few horde-exclusive and alliance-exclusive quests there.
Vasjh'ir = complete disaster. A real shame too because it started so good, an innovative zone (First zone to be completely underwater which brings us 3D combat) a good start, but then things rapidly decayed.
First there's the fact that the storyline itself takes a deep plummet down for no reason, it starts nice enough, a big island discovered next to stormwind, that could be used as a stagepoint for the horde to attack the capital of the alliance, and both factions rush to take control of it but......... just like the "Ritual" that Thrall and the earthen ring with the cenarion circle were about to do on the world tree, this island was just an excuse to get us to the zone, a very cheap one too, because its forgotten by both sides in a heart beat.
Starts nice, big bad kraken blows apart the horde and alliance, and then 2/3rds of the zone are devoted to both horde and alliance trying desperately to survive the assaults of the naga, while reliving an old battle between naga and vrykul. During a particular bombing quest we see that the naga number in the millions, and then......... all of this is forgotten AGAIN.
When we move to the third sub-zone, its like everything we did in sub-zone 1 and 2 was for nothing, everyone quickly says "well forget about that we got bigger problems here" and just like that, the naga, the kraken, the vrykul, the emergency, just forget about that and pretend it never happened, k?
and then? the zone ends in a god-damn cliffhanger :S one that is destined to be left hanging forever, because the devs in their infinite wisdom, decided to let our fight with ozumat end with him snatching Neptulon, and running away, instead of us killing him. This was intended to continue in a new 5man wing or raid, but alas, they felt the story was "complete".
Nevermind that ALL OF THE EVENTS IN VASHJ are completely divorced from the events on cataclysm to the point that one could easily thing this happened during wrath and it would still fit. The final nail in the coffin was added with the Molten front that necessitated the completion of 3/4ths of hyjal, dooming this zone to obscurity as NOBODY who was leveling entered vashir anymore, given hyjal's importance, both in gameplay terms and in plot terms.
this is all just bad development decisions and it goes downhill from there. Not to mention it still suffers from the same problems as Hjyal, all quests are neutral, and if some argue that the quests on the first 2 sub-zones are faction exclusive, they aren't because they are the same quest with different text/name/quest-giver (and sometimes not even that)
Deepholm sucks, majorly, not only the zone looks like crap, its completely unnavigable, with a crappy plot of troggs vs earthen (that somehow leave the titans completely out) and an anti-climatic ending.
Uldum..... dont even get me started on that royal piece of crap, started well enough with the tolvir vs neferset war, but that took only 20% of the zone, the other 80% was completely divorced from the overall plot of cata, was a complete rip-off from a movie (At least on redridge, while Keeshan and the bravo squad are a rip-off from rambo, the plot of the zone IS unique to wow) used excessively cutscenes that can't be skipped, had a music that made my ears bleed, had ZERO mention of the titans, or titan lore, was completely disconnected from its 5man and raid (one may as well wonder who the hell is ala'kir) has the "honor" of having the WORST DAILY EVER, and the largest amount of plot derailment I've ever seen even within a zone (Hello? one minute you are with harrison solving an emergency, then the next 2 hours or so are to work with a hitler expy, then that caravan that pops up from nowhere, and then back to harrison) and last but not least, our characters who by every right should be powerful warriors seasoned veterans of the northrend campaing and outland campaign, are damsels in distress that need rescuing not one but
3 GODDAMN TIMES
from mighty enemies? no, from whimpy pieces of crap that by all rights should be stains on our foots.
yhea, this zone can go to hell, I'm not doing it EVER again on any of my toons unless I really need gold.
The only zone in the entire end-game expansion that they got right was Twilight Highlands, with a nice plot, VASTLY DIFFERENT quests for alliance and horde (These take 30% of the zone) a nice connection to the adjacent raid, awesome music, little use of cinematics, a plot that is directly connected to cataclysm, and a royal battle between alextrazsa vs deathwing.
So yhea, cata despite its improvements to questing (terrain phasing FTW) is way low on my aproval meter, because the low lvl zones are awesome, but the high lvl zones STINK majorly.
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Post by
Atik
best zone cohesion (of which there is none in cataclysm)
But none of the 80-85 zones are next to each other. There's no need for inter-zone cohesion.
It would still be nice to know why we get done in Hyjal, go to Deepholme, then get done there and go to Uldum, and then suddenly run off to Twilight Highlands.
My favorite expansion period is BC...
Post by
Rankkor
best zone cohesion (of which there is none in cataclysm)
But none of the 80-85 zones are next to each other. There's no need for inter-zone cohesion.
but a story cohesion would had been nice.
Instead what we get is 5 separate side-stories of which only 2 have anything at all to do with cataclysm (Hyjal and Twilight Highlands), because 1 was officially disowned by blizzard (vashj) and the other is a blatant copy of a movie that has NOTHING to do with wow (Uldum) and another is so painfully boring and disconected from the rest of the plot, its a complete waste to even do it.
Worst part is that Deepholm is not even optional, you HAVE to complete the entire zone in order to get access to the Shoulder Enchant vendor. Thank god its deepholm and not uldum though, now THAT would had sucked.
Post by
Atik
best zone cohesion (of which there is none in cataclysm)
But none of the 80-85 zones are next to each other. There's no need for inter-zone cohesion.
but a story cohesion would had been nice.
Instead what we get is 5 separate side-stories of which only 2 have anything at all to do with cataclysm (Hyjal and Twilight Highlands), because 1 was officially disowned by blizzard (vashj) and the other is a blatant copy of a movie that has NOTHING to do with wow (Uldum) and another is so painfully boring and disconected from the rest of the plot, its a complete waste to even do it.
Worst part is that Deepholm is not even optional, you HAVE to complete the entire zone in order to get access to the Shoulder Enchant vendor. Thank god its deepholm and not uldum though, now THAT would had sucked.
Uldum > Deepholm
I get such a headache in that place.
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Post by
Atik
If I had to pick a zone I actually LIKED in Cata.... probably Vash'jir... because the merciless ones were cool...
I really did like Wrath for a few reasons.
1. Wrathgate
2. The Nexus Wars
3. The wyrmrest accord and badass drake mounts.
Post by
keyur
Cataclysm seemed to have a good story
Well how many wow players know deathwing before cata...like say in BC days....!
When cata introduced in blizzcon I just said WTF...who the hell is this deathwing? It was my bad because I started WoW from WoLK and I only knew lore from Warcraft 3 games. And only Malfurion said once about deathwing in Illadin's prison campaign in Reign of Chaos. But after reading whole lore Well of eternity and all - I really liked whole lore and deathwing creation.
But in cata whole story line and quests are good but there are very few things covered in all quests - what written in books
Post by
Adamsm
Deathwing first showed up in Warcraft 2.
Post by
Rankkor
Cataclysm seemed to have a good story
Well how many wow players know deathwing before cata...like say in BC days....!
those that did Sabellian's quest in Blade's Edge Mountains know him, as well as the netherwing quest-chain.
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229054
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Post by
Atik
The said they were not doing anything with Vash. No raid, nothing.
Honestly, if we could just use that damn seahorse ANYWHERE else.
Post by
Adamsm
Yup, they said they were finished with the Vash/Maw quest line and nothing was going to happen to let us know what happened to Nept or Ozumat.
Post by
keyur
What happened to that dungun in cata (Abyssal Maw or something)....many people was curious about that dungun...Is anything special about lore in that dungun?
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