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Rankkor
For the last freaking time I never said that alliance wasn't also to blame:
I said both sides weren't equally to blame, but they're both to blame.
saying that one side deserves MORE of the blame than the other is like downplaying the blame of your side.
They ARE equally to blame, and everyone agrees except you.
Sigh, alright fine. Maybe you're right, maybe both sides are equally to blame.
BUT, for different reasons.
I will not, however, for even a second accept forsaken as misunderstood, bullied-by-humanity victims, because that is not true and I will never entertain that idea
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they STARTED that way, misunderstood, bullied-by-human victims, but as of cataclysm, with them FORCING their curse onto others, that part is pretty much gone. They crossed the "Moral Event Horizon" the moment they spread a curse onto unwilling victims.
that being said, one of the reasons why you may believe the horde has a larger share of the blame is because of this simple theory:
There is good in both factions, and evil in both factions. In equal quantities I can assure you, I've done enough alliance and horde quests to see just how many jerks are there in both sides.
however, in the case of the alliance ,the evil is spread out across all the races, its not concentrated, in the case of the horde however, pretty much ALL of the evil in the horde is concentrated in the forsaken, and about 50% of the orcs. Because honestly, the tauren, trolls, blood elves, and even goblins have never really soiled their hands by playing dirty, or using morally ambiguous methods to win battles.
in the alliance, its not concentrated in a single race, or a single group, its very VERY spread out among all their races (except the draenei)
but when you look at the sum of all the parts, both factions really have tried their best to keep the war going on strong.
Edit: err DAMMIT >.< uragah already beated me to the punch
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Behelich
They still call me Ald around here. And, well, great minds think alike, bro'.
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Adamsm
Sold, no faction race is completely evil, just let it drop already.
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Mojoworkn
Almost all horde forsaken are evil.
Sold, no faction race is completely evil, just let it drop already.
I agree. What you're saying is basically what everyone else is saying.
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Rankkor
ejem, the brainwashing and the draining of mu'ru was all in the past, blood elves have undergone a complete 180° as a race ever since the sunwell.
best example of that is that even tough they had no moral or legal obligation to do so, they allowed their high-elven cousins to enter the well to sate their hunger as well, when they could had just refused, as a punishment for leaving silvermoon.
and as for the goblins, as delt said, the in-race slavement was a small minority, and the troll slavement was "paying evil onto evil" do remember that these trolls once held the goblins as slaves for milenia as well.
when it comes to blood elves fighting alliance, or goblins fighting alliance, they dont go out of their way to be vicious, cruel, or merciless.
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Rankkor
"paying evil onto evil"
Which is, by no means, a valid justification (what can justify slavery?). But saying that no faction is completely evil also validates the opposite. No faction is completely good (exception: the Draenei - but thats when I like call them mary-sues, even though they haven't been given nearly as much characterization as I'd like to jump to that conclusion).
meh I dunno.
Take the character "Dexter" from showtime, he's a serial killer, he spends his time hunting, stalking and picking up random people and butchering them on a table, then chops them to pieces, and then puts them in garbage bags to trow them in the ocean. And yet, most fans of the show often root for him, because his victims happen to be rapists, other killers, child molesters, and other form of scum.
This is why I (and I'm genuely surprised about it) actually like the dragonmaw in cataclysm.
they used to be MONSTERS, out of all the scum in the old horde, these guys were the worst among the worst, and yet the NEW generation of dragonmaw, not only never partaked on the crimes of their forefathers, but also continue the tradition of subjugating dragons, but doing so on victims that very much deserve it.
The black dragonflight is a scourge to the living, yet these guys play fire with fire.............
This is also the same principle behind Death Knights, my class, and also the knights of the ebon blade.
if a Death Knight does not inflict pain on other creatures regularly, they begin to suffer 'wracking pains that could drive them into a mindless, blood-seeking hysteria.' So not only are they solely designed to do battle, they are physically forced to do so.
and yet they channel this hunger upon victims that either deserve it (Like their campaign on the scourge) or simply the enemies of their friends (such as what the DKs post-cataclysm do)
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killerdinoblood
Who is this "everyone" that agrees with you rank?
@Sig, no, I meant I don't take zarhym seriously because this "moral ambiguity" that he speaks of on the alliance is nowhere to be seen in game or lore,
and blaming the entire alliance for the gnomes accidently nuking their own city is silly.
But, whatever, think what you want.
I will not, however, for even a second accept forsaken as misunderstood, bullied-by-humanity victims, because that is not true and I will never entertain that idea.
So we have an excuse for Gnomes but we dont have an excuse for The Forsaken?I see...
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Rankkor
meh, the bombing of gnomeregan was more stupidity (and from a race that is suposed to be "smarter" than others no less) than evilness.
the stunt they pulled off in borean tundra was more unethical
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