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Young Chinese toddler in China got ran over twice and no one helped her
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91278
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Post by
ElhonnaDS
Maybe no one stopped to help her because they were all standing around arguing about which other instance of human callousness this was most like.
Post by
Atik
Maybe no one stopped to help her because they were all standing around arguing about which other instance of human callousness this was most like.
Pffft, chinese don't argue with eachother. They just SOUND angry.
Post by
Gone
Not gonna bother talking about the peopel who walked by, or about China in general or about weather or not these things happen here as well. The fact is this is just such a sad situation. I dont really have anything to say, usualy something like this makes me mad, but this time i just kind of feel sad.
Post by
ElhonnaDS
This reminds me of another story I read, a few months back, about a 15 year old girl who was gang raped by 5-10 guys outside her homecoming dance, in front of a dozen witnesses, and no one called anyone or did anything to stop it. The way the police finally found out was that one of the witnesses went home and told his sister, and she was the one who called the cops. It's just sad how people can not care enough to even pick up a phone.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2009/10/28/suspects-custody-gang-rape-beating-girl-homecoming-dance/
Post by
MyTie
People see horrible things happen to people and they don't do anything about it. How can you not see the validity of the comparison?
As for 'cake or death', I think that the choice is obvious.
Death, MyTie? Because I'm fairly sure that's what you'd be letting yourself in for if you spoke out against the Nazis in 1933.
That's right, Sinespe. That's exactly right. I would be a part of a resistance movement, and i would likely die, because that would be the right thing to do. In my view, that is the only thing to do.
Post by
ElhonnaDS
I agree with your sentiments on the culpability of the average German citizen, MyTie.
I think the reason that this kind of incident seems to be so different, though, is that while someone should be willing to stand up for what's right, when the cost would be your life it is somewhat understandable that there would be people who would be too scared to. In this case, all they would have had on the line were a few minutes of their time, however- no risk of life or limb, no risk of reprisals against their family- they just had to stop and help the girl up. And 20 people passed before someone was willing to do that.
It's one thing to see someone who is too scared to do the right thing. It's another to see someone who's too lazy, or too unconcerned. It just feel so much more wrong.
Post by
MyTie
I agree with your sentiments on the culpability of the average German citizen, MyTie.
I think the reason that this kind of incident seems to be so different, though, is that while someone should be willing to stand up for what's right, when the cost would be your life it is somewhat understandable that there would be people who would be too scared to. In this case, all they would have had on the line were a few minutes of their time, however- no risk of life or limb, no risk or reprisals against their family- they just had to syp and help the girl up. And 20 people passed before someone was willing to do that.
It's one thing to see someone who is too scared to do the right thing. It's another to see someone who's too lazy, or too unconcerned. It just feel so much more wrong.
Comparably, I can empathize with a 1930s German citizen more than I can these people who saw this child die. The reason I brought up Germans is because facesmasher said that the toddler witnesses were not at fault because of their culture. I'm simply saying that culture doesn't excuse anyone, no matter what the circumstance is. They are at fault. Period.
Post by
Patty
That's right, Sinespe. That's exactly right. I would be a part of a resistance movement, and i would likely die, because that would be the right thing to do. In my view, that is the only thing to do.
It's all well and good sayin
Post by
ElhonnaDS
I agree that culture doesn't excuse callousness or cruelty. I'm just noting that, other than from Facesmasher, I haven't ever heard of any Chinese custom that says it's bad luck to pull a child out of the road. And Facesmasher's usual comments about other cultures tend to be...less than enlightening, and generally revolve around them getting out of his country. I feel like he laid a troll trap, which spectacularly transfromed into a Godwin, and had taken a lot of the focus away from the actual story.
Post by
Adamsm
There isn't any custom; Face trolls like Face always trolls.
More then likely, just like at any massive scene or accident, people froze, and expected other people to do something first. It's a tragedy, but it would be a tragedy no matter where it happened: Whether in China, America, Canada, Peru, Egypt whatever.
Look at what happened on the airplanes during 9/11: Only one of the four flights actually fought back against the hijackers, who only had box cutters: Sure one or two people may get cut by them, but that still leaves a plane full of people to jump on them and beat them down. Sadly, due to panic, that didn't happen on most of the planes....but now a days, if it was tried again, you'd probably see the plot fail as people would attack them.
Post by
MyTie
@Elhonna - I see
That's right, Sinespe. That's exactly right. I would be a part of a resistance movement, and i would likely die, because that would be the right thing to do. In my view, that is the only thing to do.
It's all well and good sayin
Do I strike you as the kind of person that abandons my views, or ignores them, because of peer pressure, or authority? I know it is hard to predict what you, as an individual, would do when actually faced with that choice, but I know myself well enough to say with a significant degree of certainty that I would resist genocide till my last dieing breath.
Post by
Patty
Fuuuuuuuu my post cut out really awkwardly.
My point is, despite how noble your intentions would be when saying things in a pretty (comparably) comfortable situation and with the historical knowledge we now possess, the threat of not only you, but everybody you have ever cared about, being killed or tortured etc., would stop many -if not most- dead in their tracks. Furthermore, there is genocide ongoing across the world, such as in parts of Africa; are you doing anything to combat it at the moment?
That probably makes me sound more like a knob than I would like, but the point is that genocide is taking place, and that hardly anybody is resisting it in the western world and other areas where it doesn't
really
affect us to a significant degree.
Edit: I was going to make a more in-depth response about Nazi Germany, but refrained.
Post by
MyTie
That probably makes me sound more like a knob than I would like, but the point is that genocide is taking place, and that hardly anybody is resisting it in the western world and other areas where it doesn't
really
affect us to a significant degree.
Edit: I was going to make a more in-depth response about Nazi Germany, but refrained.
I've thought significantly about doing a mission to either China, Iran, or South Africa. Right now what is stopping me is monetary support. I can't just go jack an airplane and fly it into Tehran and start yelling at people. I would like to meet with someone who has done it in the past, get a plan together, and get some backing from a network of Churches.
But this isn't really about me personally. This is about allowing something horrible to go around you. Currently, there is no genocide in southern Oregon. If there were, I would be doing something about it. My qualm is with people who have the ability to resist, but do not. I currently lack the ability to resist South African regimes. That doesn't diminish my right to condemn those who do not aide their fellow human.
Post by
Adamsm
Um...what exactly does any of this have to do with the thread at hand, which is about normal people reacting to a horrific accident?
Post by
Patty
Well, this!
is
! off-topic.
Post by
MyTie
Um...what exactly does any of this have to do with the thread at hand, which is about normal people reacting to a horrific accident?
We are attempting to answer the question: What extent do humans have a responsibility to assist other humans who are suffering?
We are bringing up historical situations and current world events to try and put context on the question.
Do you seriously not see that as a part of this topic? Amazing.
Post by
91278
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Post by
MyTie
I'd get the hell out, personally. I quite like my survival instinct -- it keeps me alive. Whether that is "right" or not, I don't care. I know it's natural, though -- that's good enough for me.
I admire your honesty. I don't agree with you, but I can understand where you are coming from.
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91278
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