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Roleplaying Dragons: Examining the taboo
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355559
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Post by
oneforthemoney
Point taken. I was referring more to dragons in that general universe in terms of strength, in that they needed not just any magic stick, but ones specifically made to actually kill dragons with any degree of success for mortals to fight back.
Post by
Adamsm
The Dragonmaw Red Drakes were some of the most feared creatures in the air, at sea, or on land; and those were 'unintelligent' ones to boot: If they were in the air, and no handy Wildhammers were around, the Grand Alliance army was forced to duck and cover...and the few times one mortal managed to get on the back, he didn't really survive very long after that(everyone's favorite Paladin from Day of the Dragon anyone?).
Post by
Atik
Well, for when you return:
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PitDragonChronicles
(enslaved by humans for pit-fighting, and rather easy to put down)
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Mulan
(Mushu, a tiny little harmless eastern dragon)
Maleficent's dragon form (in both the origonal movie and kingdom hearts) was far from god-like powerful.
As well as countless examples from various anime, manga, books, ect. Where dragons are presented as no greater than any race they co-inhabit the world with.
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355559
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Post by
Adamsm
Mushu was harmless? He killed the unkillable Hun leader. And without the Faerie Magic, Prince Philip would have been killed by Maleficent; you can see that pretty clearly in Sleeping Beauty.
Edit: Also, Eastern Style Dragons are also usually demi-gods or full on Gods; nothing harmless about those creatures.
And I've seen just as many movies, mangas, anime, cartoons, tv shows where the Dragons were the end all kill all creatures in existence.
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355559
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Post by
Atik
And I've seen just as many movies, mangas, anime, cartoons, tv shows where the Dragons were the end all kill all creatures in existence.
And until I see lore-based proof of this in WoW, I'm going with the other, as it seems more likely from EVERYTHING we see in game.
Post by
Adamsm
So....the Dragonmaw isn't proof? Or the Blacks, the Blues, the Twilights, the Netherwing, and all the rest?
Post by
Atik
You mean who die in the hundreds all over the place?
Post by
Adamsm
To armies; not to one person.
You are still confusing game mechanics with Lore there Atik.
Post by
Atik
To armies; not to one person.
You are still confusing game mechanics with Lore there Atik.
The dragonmaw ENSLAVED countless Netherwings.
The kirin tor and other mortal races KILLED AN ASPECT with a bit of help from the Wyrmrest accord.
A pit Lord kills a dragon in Sunwell, and his blood later raises her as a servent of the legion. (Keep in mind that Silvia ENSLAVED a pit lord and noone said a damn thing.) Oh, and that super-powered Fel dragon was killed by the mortals.
Whatever the hell happened to Kalec in Sunwell also counts for that matter, considering he needed mortal help.
The only dragon we have actually seen proof that it took an army to beat was Ony. And she was EASILY a well above-average dragon.
Post by
Adamsm
The dragonmaw ENSLAVED countless Netherwings.Yes they did; they also had a lot of help from Illidan and his forces; and what happens when the Netherwing flight get's free? The Dragonmaw of Shadowmoon burn.
The kirin tor and other mortal races KILLED AN ASPECT with a bit of help from the Wyrmrest accord.An army of mortals backed by Red dragons; you made my own point there.
A pit Lord kills a dragon in Sunwell, and his blood later raises her as a servent of the legion. (Keep in mind that Silvia ENSLAVED a pit lord and noone said a damn thing.) Oh, and that super-powered Fel dragon was killed by the mortals.An army of mortals; not 1 or 2. And no said anything because they didn't want to; in all honesty, should have been the other way around with the Pit Lord enslaving your Silvia.
Whatever the hell happened to Kalec in Sunwell also counts for that matter, considering he needed mortal help.Corrupted by the Legion; and freed by Anveena and the same army that went after Brutalus and Felmist.
The only dragon we have actually seen proof that it took an army to beat was Ony. And she was EASILY a well above-average dragon.And her brother and her were again, beaten by an army of mortals storming BoT; same as Nef was defeated the first time, as was Sarth and the Twilight drakes. Anytime in game that it says 'adventures', it's a lot more then just 10/25/40.
Notice anything there? A large group are behind all of that. Heck, even the dailies in Dragonblight and Coldarra, Aces High and Defending the Temple, are done by mortals with the backing from Dragons.
Dragons of Azeroth are not push overs; they are one of the largest races, one of the most dangerous, and have powers and abilities far above the mortal races: There's a reason they were made into the care takers of the World. And that's still leaving out the natural abilities of the Dragons: Mastery of Magic from the Blues, flames that can burn the air from the Reds, Magma from the throats of the Blacks, the poisonous mist that the Greens can spew as well as trapping people in slumber, and the Bronzes with their lightening breath and the Time control; no mortal, except for maybe the Guardian, can match that one on one.
But can put it another way: During the Open Sea RP from way back, I had a half-orc half troll Warrior; at one point he went full on berserker fury and took out 100 of the pirates....and at the end, he was injured, with broken limbs and nearly lost an eye. He would rather run like hell then try to fight a dragon one on one; most of Azeroth knows that you are going to lose that fight.
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Post by
Atik
Atik are you actually trying to argue that dragons are not more powerful than mortals?
Yes, yes I am. Because aside from the very tippity-top best-of-the-best, the have no reason to be, nor proof of being such.
Post by
Behelich
Alright, let's put it in perspective. In the blue corner we have Avery Gejoe the Everyman. Let him be a, say, Third War veteran, in finest tempered steel armor and with a really nice sword and a shield with a fancy crest.
In the red corner we have Misha, a 15' tall grizzly bear with claws for which the aforementioned armor is no more of a hindrance than a silk nightgown, hide that is nigh-bulletproof (for Azerothian bullets, at least), and magic sizzling out of his hairy ass.
Even though we'd all be rooting for poor Avery, the guy has no chance against the Misha. Who in turn is, at best, able to stand five rounds against a drake (flight, anyone? Or that infant-sized maul on the end of their tail?).
Post by
Atik
You can also look at a fight with, saw, a body-builder vs a normal joe shmoe.
No human has to be a boby-builder/uber-jacked wrestler.
Just like how no dragon had to be a one-swipe-kills-all monster.
Post by
Behelich
How about a normal joe shmoe vs a house cat? This is the case where size (muscle mass, to be precise) matters.
Post by
Atik
How about a normal joe shmoe vs a house cat? This is the case where size (muscle mass, to be precise) matters.
Drakes and small dragons aren't that much larger than the humanoids.
And, I mean, even in Lore a gnome warrior can stand up to a tauren.
Post by
Adamsm
Your still focused on game mechanics there Atik; even a 'small' drake would still be larger length wise then an Ogre, and would still have that body mass to over power them; that's what was happening in Blades Edge, till the Gruul and his sons started helping out to take out the Black Dragon invaders.
And the gnome warrior wins by being faster then Tauren, but if the Tauren get's it hands on the gnome it will crush it like a grape.
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