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644871
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Post by
Monday
So, with the new rep change, malicious people are down-vote spamming 50 comments a day. This is absolutely ridiculous and should not be allowed. Down-votes are supposed to be for incorrect/bad comments, not for anyone who wants rep. Only voting up should give rep.
I agree. I've had people go through and downvote all my comments before because they disagree. It's getting old.
Post by
Luciferul
I don't believe a good and useful comment is going to be down voted. I think this system wants to stop the spam with useless comments and make people to add only good comments...
Post by
asakawa
We can see if a single user is targeting your comments so if you think that someone (you don't need to name any names) is doing this then you should let us know and we can look into it.
(remember that if you want to make a complaint about a specific user (and name them) then you should do that via rather than this forum)
Post by
Monday
I don't believe a good and useful comment is going to be down voted. I think this system wants to stop the spam with useless comments and make people to add only good comments...
Then you're wrong. One of the most common ways to get back at somebody for disagreeing you (at least here, anyways) is to go downvote all their comments. Happens a lot.
Post by
Sas148
I don't believe a good and useful comment is going to be down voted. I think this system wants to stop the spam with useless comments and make people to add only good comments...
Then you're wrong. One of the most common ways to get back at somebody for disagreeing you (at least here, anyways) is to go downvote all their comments. Happens a lot.
As was previously stated... you can just report the issue if you think you're being targeted via the Feedback tool and appropriate action will be taken.
Post by
RealUnimportant
I've noticed today that I've lost 2 rep for having a comment "downvoted", because it was a reply to a comment that's since been deleted by its original poster; my comment was a refutation of their original (incorrect) assertion that I assume they'd rather not leave open to further correction.
My comment itself was at no time properly downvoted, but once the earlier post was removed mine wasn't even mentioned on the page anymore! So now I've lost the 1 rep I got for posting it plus another 1 rep for someone else deleting their own post; how's that fair?
Post by
644871
This post was from a user who has deleted their account.
Post by
dslg604t
There's no responses to Raemsie's actual concern and I'm a bit concerned too. Should there be a limit on the number of votes you can make? Or a limit of downvotes you can make in a row?
Post by
Koper
There is already a daily limit of votes. We don't want to discourage them any further as they are needed to weed out the bad comments.
If you are worried about reputation remember that you need to have more than twice the downvotes than the upvotes to lose any.
If you think you are being targeted you can contact a moderator.
Post by
CalaelenDT
I've noticed today that I've lost 2 rep for having a comment "downvoted", because it was a reply to a comment that's since been deleted by its original poster; my comment was a refutation of their original (incorrect) assertion that I assume they'd rather not leave open to further correction.
My comment itself was at no time properly downvoted, but once the earlier post was removed mine wasn't even mentioned on the page anymore! So now I've lost the 1 rep I got for posting it plus another 1 rep for someone else deleting their own post; how's that fair?
You have to realise, that the main priority of the database is to provide useful information on the subject in question. While your comment refering to an incorrect poster might've been useful at the time, it would've become obsolete with the original post being removed.
This in turn clutters up the page and causes confusion, as people don't understand the context of your comment since part of the "discussion" is removed.
In regards to the OP's problem, only allowing up voting to grant reputation could cause people to lose the incentive to properly vote, and just upvote everything to get their reputation cap for the day, regardless of whether or not the comment in question was valuable.
You need to realise that getting downvoted doesn't necessarily mean that someone is targeting you, it could mean that:
- the information in your comment has since been added into the database (such as location, HP, loot table)
- the information in your comment has changed since your post (NPC has changed location, NPC status has changed, item no longer drops from a certain mob)
- the information in your comment refers to a deleted comment (can cause confusion and misinformation due to information missing)
- your comment wasn't as funny as you thought (if your comment was intended to be a joke)
- the information you posted, while correct, was already posted various times before (having 10 comments stating the same thing is just cluttering up the page)
... and so on.
Especially out of date information is prone to getting purged now that so many things have changed with the Cataclysm.
Post by
Koper
btw I've had plans for quite a while to redo how comments work. I really hate the current "threaded/replies" format.. If the parent comment gets deleted/downvoted then the replies, even if good, suffer as well (like it happened now). Additionally this system can be abused by replying to the first comment in the page with something that is an unrelated comment rather than a reply, to have a guaranteed second in the list place.
In a nutshell this is what I want to do:
The "reply" feature as you know it now will be completely removed. I don't know what to do with the current replies, but probably any solution will have serious downsides unfortunately :(
The comments will be listed by rating rather than date by default; you can change this setting on a per-page basis but not globally.
A new "reply" feature will be implemented. Replies will be
completely different
from comments; they won't give reputation, they won't be able to be downvoted (possibly they can be upvoted), they always appear in chronological order under the comment, if the comment is collapsed replies will be collapsed as well, there will be serious limitations on the amount of markup they can have and especially their length. This way we can force them to be actual replies (such as small corrections, or jokes, or whatever) and they are forever "tied" to the parent comment. If the parent comment is deleted, all replies will be gone as well.
I don't know when I'll have time to do this but if you have some early feedback it's welcome.(##RESPBREAK##)2##DELIM##Koper##DELIM##
Post by
Viruzzz
Isn't the change you are suggesting only going to shift the way the same problem presents itself?
As long as you have pages of comments, the first page will always be viewed many times as often as all other pages, meaning that a comment that starts out on page n>1 is unlikely to make it to the first page unless it is exceptional in some way. whereas a comment on page 1 will stay there just by being "not terrible"
Post by
RealUnimportant
If the comments default to highest-rated-first, then in theory the good comments will bubble to the surface while the less insightful will fall further down the page.
In practice, there's a few pages (such as
Zin'rokh, Destroyer of Worlds
) with early, 10+ voted posts that are dubious, disputable or plain downright wrong, but it's beyond one person to try & correct that rating; it feels wrong to report them because of what's been mentioned before, it leaves a lot of orphaned discussion which is often far more accurate but which then runs the risk of being downvoted or deleted due to lack of reference to the original post.
However, I have no idea of how to make a system that would please all the people, all the time. What we have now works on the whole, and with the stated upcoming changes to how orphaned posts will be handled (even if it's basically "they can't happen, so the problem will go away") I think it's the best we can hope to achieve with the current level of user sophistication... ;)
Post by
Cordana
btw I've had plans for quite a while to redo how comments work. I really hate the current "threaded/replies" format.. If the parent comment gets deleted/downvoted then the replies, even if good, suffer as well (like it happened now). Additionally this system can be abused by replying to the first comment in the page with something that is an unrelated comment rather than a reply, to have a guaranteed second in the list place.
In a nutshell this is what I want to do:
The "reply" feature as you know it now will be completely removed. I don't know what to do with the current replies, but probably any solution will have serious downsides unfortunately :(
The comments will be listed by rating rather than date by default; you can change this setting on a per-page basis but not globally.
A new "reply" feature will be implemented. Replies will be
completely different
from comments; they won't give reputation, they won't be able to be downvoted (possibly they can be upvoted), they always appear in chronological order under the comment, if the comment is collapsed replies will be collapsed as well, there will be serious limitations on the amount of markup they can have and especially their length. This way we can force them to be actual replies (such as small corrections, or jokes, or whatever) and they are forever "tied" to the parent comment. If the parent comment is deleted, all replies will be gone as well.
I don't know when I'll have time to do this but if you have some early feedback it's welcome.
Implement
Disqus
(can see it in action at
engadget.com
)? Can only upvote, owner sets default organization of comments while the client can manipulate it on a case-by-case basis, they obviously won't give rep, limitations on markup, etc. And it's friggin' easy as pie to code into any website. Looks like an ideal solution to me.
Post by
886510
This post was from a user who has deleted their account.
Post by
RealUnimportant
Until 3 weeks ago , I'd not been here for years & knew nothing of the rep until my second visit... It was nice to find I'd gotten so much rep without even trying, but I'm not worried about earning more. I do find myself annoyed about losing it unfairly though, which is strangely prideful.
An example of this: I posted a comment to
The Innkeeper's Daughter
earlier, and saw later that it had already been downvoted. On reviewing, I noticed that every post on the page had lost 1 rep; surely this is an abuse by someone looking only to increase their own rep by making spurious votes?
Post by
235435
This post was from a user who has deleted their account.
Post by
235435
This post was from a user who has deleted their account.
Post by
Adamsm
An example of this: I posted a comment to
The Innkeeper's Daughter
earlier, and saw later that it had already been downvoted. On reviewing, I noticed that every post on the page had lost 1 rep; surely this is an abuse by someone looking only to increase their own rep by making spurious votes?
Possible, or the person just didn't agree with the comments. But this has existed since the achievement for voting was added onto the website.
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