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Are Muslims being demonised?
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Post by
Jubilee
"Keeping Sharia law out of our courts" has been one of the platforms in the Republican debates these last couple months. It's somewhat mindboggling because most of them then turn around and want Christian law in the courts instead.
Post by
gnomerdon
We will never know the main reason at all. It's a combination of things that should be bundled into 1.
Post by
Pwntiff
They don't know that Muslims worship the same god as Christians do
That's actually not true. The are major differences between their two concepts of God.
Still the God of Abraham though.
Are Muslims being demonized? Yes, but primarily because the only time they are in Western news is in a negative light.
Post by
xaratherus
I originally had voted that they were to an extent.
I've since changed my vote to a complete yes. Why?
Because I'm willing to bet that if you walked up to 100 people and said, "How 'bout those Muslims?", for the majority the first thing that would come to mind would be a derogatory stereotype of a terrorist.
Post by
HoleofArt
People have voted "no", but haven't spoken up. I wish one of them would explain their choice.
Post by
120504
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Post by
Jubilee
They don't know that Muslims worship the same god as Christians do
That's actually not true. The are major differences between their two concepts of God.
It's the same god of Abraham, and the same Abraham that both religions trace back to.
There's no point arguing with me, I can't speak for either religion. I just look at the facts that both provide and see that both teach very different things about their God.
http://oncedelivered.net/2007/12/20/yahweh-the-god-of-the-bible-vs-allah-the-god-of-the-koran/
http://answering-islam.org/Shamoun/god.htm
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204878
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Post by
Monday
There's no point arguing with me, I can't speak for either religion. I just look at the facts that both provide and see that both teach very different things about their God.
So do most denominations within religions, it doesn't mean they're different characters.
But not to the same level as Islam/Christianity. There's a reason that they are classified as two completely different religions, instead of just branches.
Post by
MyTie
Whenever I need a reminder of how few, how isolated, the cases are, of islamists actually causing damage, I take a look at
this website
. It tracks terrorist events.
In the last 24 hours, only 12 people have been slaughtered by Islamist terrorists, and only 101 others injured. That is not in one attack. There were 2 bombs that went off, and 6 other peoples corpses were found less than a week after they were abducted.
I'm still looking for its Christian (or any other religious) counterpart. These aren't murders happening in the day to day activities of a Muslim country, but these are specific terrorist activities by Islamic patrons.
I get really tired of being told that not every Muslim is a terrorist. I know they aren't. I know that there are plenty of peaceful Muslims out there. I feel like the tired out platform that "Muslims are discriminated against". I know they probably are, at times. That is horrible. I wish they weren't. However, the modern world is using the rub of tolerance to sweep all the garbage under.
I feel like I have to apologize every time I question Islamic terrorism, which is a really big problem in the world today. I should not have to demonize a different religion, and write a poem about how great Islam is, and go out and hug 50 peaceful Muslims, in order to point out the very real truth that adherents to that religion are wreaking havoc all across the world in the name of their religion. I especially dislike the people who feel a need to demonize Christianity. I feel like I am being discriminated against by those that want to even the playing field for Muslims. It is the affirmative action of religion. Discrimination is not a tool to balance things out.
Anyway, Islam is a great religion. It is full of people who do great things in the world. That much is very true. It is disappointed that there are Muslims that do horrible things in the name of their God. It is also disappointing to me that the modern world lectures itself on tolerance on the anniversary of September 11th.... a bit pitiful really.
Post by
Pwntiff
this website
That site seems to portray a different point of view than the one you are using its data to present.
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168916
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Post by
Jubilee
If you want to think of it simply on the level of origin, that's your prerogative. That makes absolutely no sense to me. Like I said, there's no point in arguing with me, I'm just looking at two descriptions and concluding that they are different.
Post by
Pwntiff
If you want to think of it simply on the level of origin, that's your prerogative. That makes absolutely no sense to me.
Religion is all about interpretation. Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are all Abrahamic religions, but since they are not the same religion, they will have different interpretations of God.
Post by
Jubilee
If you want to think of it simply on the level of origin, that's your prerogative. That makes absolutely no sense to me.
Religion is all about interpretation. Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are all Abrahamic religions, but since they are not the say religion, they will have different interpretations of God.
That's pretty much exactly my point. Despite claiming to have a similar origin, they all come to different and contradictory conclusions as to the nature of the God they choose to worship. You can't just go as say that Christians and Muslims are worshiping the same God without analyzing the beliefs of both sides.
Post by
MyTie
this website
That site seems to portray a different point of view than the one you are using its data to present.
I use it for statistics. I don't care what the opinions of the authors are. The raw data is what I used in my post.
Post by
Gnoktish
I see muslims being demonized in some extent. Whether being looked down upon, bullied, threatened, or in extreme cases: murdered. Muslim extremists were the cause of 9/11, not the religion itself. The quran does have quotes that people can use against the muslim religion, but it is also counters it with a moral choice. There is a section of slaying the infedels, but that choice is made once converting them is no longer possible.
I don't believe the muslim religion or the quran, but some people take the texts too seriously, or bend it and try to take away parts from the religious text. But I'm not pointing fingers at the muslim religion for terrorism or extremists. There has been countless extremists in any religion. Roman catholics took the bible and used certain sections to allow themselves to hunt and kill Heretics (people who stood against the church and has been excommunicated). Morman extremists has also took the bible and encouraged Polygamy which clearly states in Leviticus and Paul's writings that marriage is between ONE man and ONE woman.
No religion hasn't had an extremist. Muslims are mainly targetted mostly because of 9/11, if it never happened, muslims would be more open with their beliefs without being hunted by the oblivious people.
Post by
Monday
Morman extremists has also took the bible and encouraged Polygamy which clearly states in Leviticus and Paul's writings that marriage is between ONE man and ONE woman.
Fail.
Post by
MyTie
There has been countless extremists in any religion. Roman catholics took the bible and used certain sections to allow themselves to hunt and kill Heretics (people who stood against the church and has been excommunicated). Morman extremists has also took the bible and encouraged Polygamy which clearly states in Leviticus and Paul's writings that marriage is between ONE man and ONE woman.
This is the kind of thing that I don't like. There is a violent problem in the Islamic world. Why do we feel the need to demonize other religions in order to talk about a problem in one religion? The crusades were centuries ago. Polygamy isn't nearly the problem that slaughtering people is. Why do we feel the need to be apologetic to address problems in the rest of the world? It seems counterproductive.
Post by
Pwntiff
this website
That site seems to portray a different point of view than the one you are using its data to present.
I use it for statistics. I don't care what the opinions of the authors are. The raw data is what I used in my post.
I figured that was the case, given who you presented it.
There has been countless extremists in any religion. Roman catholics took the bible and used certain sections to allow themselves to hunt and kill Heretics (people who stood against the church and has been excommunicated). Morman extremists has also took the bible and encouraged Polygamy which clearly states in Leviticus and Paul's writings that marriage is between ONE man and ONE woman.
This is the kind of thing that I don't like. There is a violent problem in the Islamic world. Why do we feel the need to demonize other religions in order to talk about a problem in one religion? The crusades were centuries ago. Polygamy isn't nearly the problem that slaughtering people is. Why do we feel the need to be apologetic to address problems in the rest of the world? It seems counterproductive.
I believe a root cause of the violence in the Arab world is political strife (mostly) with the West. If we went back to before the First Crusade and transposed the Islamic and Christian civilizations, would the situation be the same as today with the roles reversed, or would the Middle East be a much more peaceful place?
You can thank
Guns, Germs, and Steel: The Fates of Human Societies
for opening my mind to those lines of thought.
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