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Post by
Samerius
You are close minded.
Why am I closeminded?
It's the truth.
The funny part is that you can't write that you don't know, in the end, nobody knows.
Exquisite irony.
I was writing about "If you say your 100% sure there is a god, you are either completely brainwashed or stupid.".
Lol.
Post by
MyTie
If you say your 100% sure there is a god, you are either completely brainwashed or stupid.
My wife has the most brilliant smile. When she is happy, her entire face glows, her posture changes, and everything about her from the dimples on her cheeks to the way light reflects off of her hair becomes something of pure beauty.
When my son runs and jumps into my arms, he throws himself completely on me, enveloping me in his love. He trusts me, needs me, and comforts me in ways that he doesn't understand.
There is so much beauty and patience and love filling the world, it cannot be anything but intentionally sculpted art. Am I "brainwashed" or "stupid" when I see proof of God in my wife's beauty, or my son's love?
Post by
Monday
Fine, that was my bad. You have yet to answer why I am closed minded and you are not.
Post by
Skreeran
There is so much beauty and patience and love filling the world, it cannot be anything but intentionally sculpted art.That's arguable, I think. There are many different perspectives on that one.
Post by
Orranis
If you say your 100% sure there is a god, you are either completely brainwashed or stupid.
My wife has the most brilliant smile. When she is happy, her entire face glows, her posture changes, and everything about her from the dimples on her cheeks to the way light reflects off of her hair becomes something of pure beauty.
When my son runs and jumps into my arms, he throws himself completely on me, enveloping me in his love. He trusts me, needs me, and comforts me in ways that he doesn't understand.
There is so much beauty and patience and love filling the world, it cannot be anything but intentionally sculpted art. Am I "brainwashed" or "stupid" when I see God's love in my wife's smile?
Why is intentionally sculpted art any more beautiful than the miracle of life? That, rather than being planned and calibrated to be exactly as we are, that we, in our current form, that love itself came out of the complexity that has existed since the dawn of time itself? That, countless outcomes of countless tiny situations, that if they did not come out exactly as they did, life itself might not exist? And that, even after the cosmic melting pot in the beginning of the universe, that evolution itself played out exactly as it did, so that a species so intelligent as ours existed, and that that intelligence gave us the ability to think, to question, to create, and to love.
You may call life a miracle because your father figure made it, I call it a miracle because it made itself.
Post by
Samerius
If you say your 100% sure there is a god, you are either completely brainwashed or stupid.
My wife has the most brilliant smile. When she is happy, her entire face glows, her posture changes, and everything about her from the dimples on her cheeks to the way light reflects off of her hair becomes something of pure beauty.
When my son runs and jumps into my arms, he throws himself completely on me, enveloping me in his love. He trusts me, needs me, and comforts me in ways that he doesn't understand.
There is so much beauty and patience and love filling the world, it cannot be anything but intentionally sculpted art. Am I "brainwashed" or "stupid" when I see proof of God in my wife's beauty, or my son's love?
Oh no, not the "emotion" argument again, your wife's beauty and your sons love doesn't remotely prove that there is a god.
Those are just human emotions, doesn't prove anything.
And I'm pretty sure your son and mother aren't happy all the time, and I think they can get pissed at you. Because that's how families work.
There is as much hate and impatience in this world as there is love and patience.
Post by
Monday
You have yet to answer why I am closed minded and you are not.
Post by
Samerius
You have yet to answer why I am closed minded and you are not.
You're christian.
Case closed. /tadaaa
Post by
MyTie
Oh no, not the "emotion" argument again, your wife's beauty and your sons love doesn't remotely prove that there is a god.
Those are just human emotions, doesn't prove anything.We differ in opinion, obviously. I don't stand a chance to convince you otherwise. That's not what I'm doing though. I'm using you as an illustration. My point of view is contrasted against your point of view, quite nicely I think.And I'm pretty sure your son and mother aren't happy all the time, and I think they can get pissed at you. Because that's how families work.
There is as much hate and impatience in this world as there is love and patience.
There is hate in this world, but I think you underestimate how much love is actually out there.
As for my family getting 'pissed' at me, sure, that happens. Families have hard times, but they never "hate" me. There is quite a bit of difference there. The hard times, the suffering, that is just as much love as the good times are. Love is hard work. It isn't the roses or the dating or the perfume. Love is getting your wife a fresh bucket to vomit in during her morning sickness. Love is changing your son's diaper as his pants get soaked in the overflow diarrhea. Love is telling your daughter 'no' when she wants to do something bad, even though you know it will make her mad. None of that is hate. We don't have hate in my house.
That isn't to say there isn't hate in the world. There is. It is unfortunate. However, you cannot have love without free will to hate. Love isn't forced or demanded.
Post by
Monday
And now I do believe that I have identified a hypocrite. Almost everyone here knows that not only:
I am not a YEC
I do not believe in typical Hell doctrine
I am kind to everyone I meet unless given reason otherwise
I am not going to call you wrong, as it's impossible to know
I have questioned my beliefs before
I am accepting of others
I believe everyone should have the right to worship how when and what they may.
Among other things. Overall, you appear to be more closeminded than I am.
Post by
MyTie
You have yet to answer why I am closed minded and you are not.
You're christian.
Case closed. /tadaaa
You know the so called "Christians" who make fools of themselves with radical and zealot hateful talk? They bring disgrace to true Christianity by identifying themselves as Christians. They do more damage to Christianity than any atheist ever could. You are damaging your views by being spiteful and contentious. If you cannot disagree with grace, then say nothing at all.
Post by
Samerius
And now I do believe that I have identified a hypocrite. Almost everyone here knows that not only:
I am not a YEC
I do not believe in typical Hell doctrine
I am kind to everyone I meet
I am bi
I am not going to call you wrong, as it's impossible to know
I have questioned my beliefs before
I am accepting of others
I believe everyone should have the right to worship how when and what they may.
Among other things. Overall, you appear to be more closeminded than I am.
So you're going to hell? You say you are a christian and believe in god but not hell?
Post by
Monday
And now I do believe that I have identified a hypocrite. Almost everyone here knows that not only:
I am not a YEC
I do not believe in typical Hell doctrine
I am kind to everyone I meet
I am bi
I am not going to call you wrong, as it's impossible to know
I have questioned my beliefs before
I am accepting of others
I believe everyone should have the right to worship how when and what they may.
Among other things. Overall, you appear to be more closeminded than I am.
So you're going to hell? You say you are a christian and believe in god but not hell?
I do not believe in fire and brimstone hell, and that you'll be sent there for one wrong thing, or for not believing.
Post by
MyTie
I agree with number 3,6,7, and 8. The rest I flat disagree with. Now watch how Funden reacts to this. He will not become angry and confrontational that I disagree.
Post by
Samerius
How am I a hypocrite?
Post by
Monday
I agree with number 3,6,7, and 8. The rest I flat disagree with. Now watch how Funden reacts to this. He will not become angry and confrontational that I disagree.
This is true. Everyone is allowed to believe what they want, and hell, number 4 is bad even for me, but it's not like there's anything I can do about it.
Sometimes you can catch me offguard, and I'll act like a #$%^&*bag, but that's really only if I've had a crappy day and somebody is being a total !@#$%^&. It doesn't happen often.
Also, even ask the other atheists. They know that I act like this.
How am I a hypocrite?
Calling everyone who seem to be more openminded than you closeminded while assuming an air of openmindedness.
Post by
MyTie
How am I a hypocrite?
You are flat out dismissing other people's views with harsh disregard and without logic. You call people's views "stupid" or "brainwashed", and mock it with talk of unicorns, as if we live in a fairy tale world of make believe. Then you explain that we are all closed minded. This qualifies as hypocritical.
Post by
MyTie
Imagine what kind of reception someone would get if they were to have Christian views, but take your tone: There is a God, and whoever doesn't believe it is really stupid and going to Hell.Someone, taking that tone, may even get banned from wowhead. It is socially unacceptable to be a pushy Christian, but a pushy Atheist is accepted. I dislike the double standard.
Post by
Samerius
How am I a hypocrite?
You are flat out dismissing other people's views with harsh disregard and without logic. You call people's views "stupid" or "brainwashed", and mock it with talk of unicorns, as if we live in a fairy tale world of make believe. Then you explain that we are all closed minded. This qualifies as hypocritical.
It's the truth, you live in a fairy tale.
Unicorns are as unreal as god, so I wouldn't call it mockery.
Post by
Monday
It is socially unacceptable to be a pushy Christian, but a pushy Atheist is accepted. I dislike the double standard.
Depends on where you are. There's some places where not only is that acceptable, it's encouraged.
E: And I do believe we should call the mods in on this one.
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