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The "Westboro Baptist Church" Thread
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Post by
Queggy
They're a cult; they are not Christians. Funden is right, they make the rest of us look bad.*coughnotatruescotsmancoughcough*
Huh?
Post by
pnkflffytutu
To be honest I'm amazed they haven't been shot yet.
Post by
Monday
Erm, Funden, you say that you are supposed to figure things out, and not just follow things because someone tells you to, and then you say that that's what the leadership encourages? Who's leading who? And why? When does it get to be your turn? Would you want to? Or just leave people to read different things, talk to different people, and make their own judgements? Not flame baiting, just trying to understand the tautology.
I'm honestly trying to tell what the hell you mean. So if the leadership encourages you to study and learn for yourself
why
should be doing what you are, that means it's blind following, as opposed to doing it yourself?
As for leadership, I'm already in a leadership position within my quorum (the other priests, ages 16-19 ish). I lead because I was called by the Lord to (obviously, if you don't believe in the Lord then you won't believe I was called of the Lord, so honestly this is the major point in the argument).
Post by
Skreeran
They're a cult; they are not Christians. Funden is right, they make the rest of us look bad.*coughnotatruescotsmancoughcough*
Huh?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman
Post by
Queggy
They're a cult; they are not Christians. Funden is right, they make the rest of us look bad.*coughnotatruescotsmancoughcough*
Huh?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman
Kind of a big difference between something with clearly defined guidelines (a religion), and an ethnic group with stereotypes.
Post by
Squishalot
Well, sorta. Queggy, you have to remember that the Catholics would have good reason not to call your form of Christianity 'Christianity' either, necessarily. It's all about where you draw the line of differences.
Post by
345624
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Post by
Cambo
I don't like WBC.
I have a christian background and just came out of a personal spiritual crisis. Call me a believer-on-a-break.
They make me angry because they misrepresent God and christianity. If Jesus got angry and overturned all the money-changers tables in the temple and whipped them, then I want to punch WBC people in the face.
I really yearn to get back into fellowship, but it's either wishy-washy fake 'modern' churches with no substance or boring orthodox churches.
I just want to go somewhere where I can meet with God and not feel pressured to conform by people.
The main issue is, churches are too religious, but God isn't.
Jubilee, I'm sorry that happened to you!
Post by
pnkflffytutu
If I met them I'd offer to take a flag and bring it home with me.
Post by
ElhonnaDS
IMO, this is the best way to deal with the Westboro Baptist Church:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntPOCnIVFgs
They're ridiculous. To try and argue with them or shame them is useless. But if you can frusterate them, and make a mockery of them, well...
Post by
xaratherus
They're a cult; they are not Christians. Funden is right, they make the rest of us look bad.*coughnotatruescotsmancoughcough*
:P
But I'm just being contrary. I can't stand WBC. I really wish I could just go burn down their church and show them how painful it is to be hated.
It wouldn't do any good, Skree. The Bible contains a built-in justification for persecution complex. By burning down their church, you'd just reinforce their beliefs that "they're doin it rite", what with the whole "you will be persecuted in the last days" thing.
However, not to throw fuel on the fire, but for those Christians condemning the WBC, you do know that Fred Phelps offers up very thorough scriptural justification of their actions, both from an Old and a New Testament perspective? From the outside, Skree's absolutely right - calling them a "cult" and "not a real Christian" is exactly a No True Scotsman fallacy. I can almost guarantee you (having read over their website extensively) that for every Biblical passage you provide, they can counter with one that shows why their actions are justified by the Bible.
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606231
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Post by
xaratherus
To be honest I'm amazed they haven't been shot yet.
Waste of lead.
Post by
ElhonnaDS
The reason they'll probably never be shot, is because they have no pull, and no real influence. They're not a threat to anyone they picket, because they're kind of the laughing-stock of the anti-gay community. If anything, they're the kind of people that make more reasonable religious people question their views. "Wow...so THAT's the team I'm rooting for..."
Lunatics who would try to make a social or political statement through assassination will probably pick someone that represents, in their mind, something that is preventing what they want to take place, or upholding something they hate. They'd choose a politician, someone with a following, a very public media icon, etc. Even if it's on a small scope (a local organizer, a community leader for their town, etc.) they'd be looking for someone whose death would make an impact. No one is going to assassinate anyone from the Westboro Baptist Church, because no one cares if they live or die.
I heard somewhere that The WBC posted some phony letter to themselves from Anonymous, then responded. There was an actual response from Anonymous a little later on, along the lines of "Lol- you wish". If you ever hear anything about death threats or supposed attacks on these morons, it will probably be something they do for publicity.
Post by
Atik
They're a cult; they are not Christians. Funden is right, they make the rest of us look bad.*coughnotatruescotsmancoughcough*
Huh?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman
Kind of a big difference between something with clearly defined guidelines (a religion), and an ethnic group with stereotypes.
...
Not really seeing it.
And ethnic group's guildlines could be just as clear and well-founded as any religions.
Post by
Interest
To be honest I'm amazed they haven't been shot yet.
Waste of lead.
And they don't deserve to die either. It's better to watch them cry in agony at the realization they wasted their entire life.
Post by
Cambo
However, not to throw fuel on the fire, but for those Christians condemning the WBC, you do know that Fred Phelps offers up very thorough scriptural justification of their actions, both from an Old and a New Testament perspective? From the outside, Skree's absolutely right - calling them a "cult" and "not a real Christian" is exactly a No True Scotsman fallacy. I can almost guarantee you (having read over their website extensively) that for every Biblical passage you provide, they can counter with one that shows why their actions are justified by the Bible.
Pretty much every hardline Christian group do know the Bible back to front, and can quote scripture to support what they believe.
However that doesn't necessarily reflect on who is right.
A dangerously skewed frame of mind like Fred Phelps will always see scripture supporting his ideals.
The life of a Christian isn't about head-knowledge or Theology, it is about living life in a Christ-like manner. What did Jesus say when someone asked him how people can tell if someone is a real Christian? "They will know them by their love". And WBC ain't spreading the love, if ya know what I mean.
Jesus met an adulterous woman outside a town. He showed acceptance and love, and a way out of her miserable life. He didn't condemn her to burn.
Post by
Jubilee
I don't claim to be a christian scholar but isn't half the new testament about how Jesus ate with tax collectors, prostitutes, and sinners?
Post by
Cambo
I don't claim to be a christian scholar but isn't half the new testament about how Jesus ate with tax collectors, prostitutes, and sinners?
Pretty much spot on.
The Bible teaches that to enter the kingdom of heaven, you need to be like a child. If you take the teachings at face value, they offer their meaning instantly.
It doesn't mean that he condoned their actions (ripping other people off etc), but he didn't hate them as people.
Keep in mind that Judas was with Jesus for a few years, deeply involved, witnessing signs and wonders and miracles, privy to the rich teaching and parables. Seeing Jesus' character first-hand. Certainly food for thought.
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