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Post by
Magician22773
Really this topic is very similar to the one we had a while back about Neutral AH sniping. The problem with these kinds of topics on this forum, is you have so many different agenda's at play. You have one group of people that are only arguing a side to get a rise out of someone else. You have another group that only see's WoW as a game, and thus anything goes. You have another group that sees WoW as a extention of RL, and believes that the same rules apply. You also have the trolls that are only looking to argue points based on semantics, or what-if's, and "you can't prove anything".
The original question, "am I scamming", is easy.....yes, you are. Can you be actioned by Blizz for it? Sure...Blizz can ban you for sneezing if the want. Is it likely....no. The chances of getting caught are pretty slim, unless you go laughing about what you did in trade chat.
Post by
ZombieJesus
This would fall under "completely useless posts" mentioned under spamming in the forum rules.
I wasn't spamming.(##RESPBREAK##)8##DELIM##Squishalot##DELIM##It was a completely useless post, which falls under Wowhead's definition of spamming. As is this one. Please desist.
Post by
Squishalot
If you still don't think it is going on today in a different variant...be like saying old fashion multi-level ponzi schemes don't happen anymore...can anyone say "Madoff"
As long as there is gullibility..there will always be people around to pray upon it. Regulations or not.
With that example, your argument has gone completely out the window. The fact that a ponzi scheme can occur doesn't change the fact that it's a scam.
Noone is trying to argue that it won't work. We're just pointing out that it's going to be looked badly upon by the regulators (i.e. Blizzard).
Post by
TheReal
I'll sum it up:
It's morally wrong, but you're not likely to get caught. If you're caught, you'll be suspended for a short while.
Measure the risk vs. reward however you want.
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ZombieJesus
It was a completely useless post, which falls under Wowhead's definition of spamming. As is this one. Please desist.
Wow man, the new moderators are way too strict.
You guys are way too strict, you don't allow any fun.
Now leave me alone please, I do not wish to have my posts edited by you any longer.(##RESPBREAK##)12##DELIM##MasterOfDisguise##DELIM##If you have a problem with the moderation on the forums, you can contact . In the meantime, please stay on-topic so this thread can stay open.
Post by
lonewarrior
If you still don't think it is going on today in a different variant...be like saying old fashion multi-level ponzi schemes don't happen anymore...can anyone say "Madoff"
As long as there is gullibility..there will always be people around to pray upon it. Regulations or not.
With that example, your argument has gone completely out the window. The fact that a ponzi scheme can occur doesn't change the fact that it's a scam.
Noone is trying to argue that it won't work. We're just pointing out that it's going to be looked badly upon by the regulators (i.e. Blizzard).
Not sure what your point is...or that your understanding mine.
You and another person seem to make the point earlier that stocks can no longer manipulated to cause prices to falsely rise for the sake of a pump and dump scheme. After I had brought up the scam in comparison to the OP scam.
My response back was to say yes the scam is still being employed today even with today's technology and regulations.
That was my point.
How did you interpret it differently
Post by
Squishalot
You and another person seem to make the point earlier that stocks can no longer manipulated to cause prices to falsely rise for the sake of a pump and dump scheme. After I had brought up the scam in comparison to the OP scam.
My response back was to say yes the scam is still being employed today even with today's technology and regulations.
Not quite. My point wasn't that they can't be manipulated (hell no!), but rather, that such manipulation is illegal. It can still occur, just like insider trading, but when it is identified, it'll be punished (i.e. it's still a scam).
Post by
yukonjack
Incredible! Ten pages and this post is still alive! The op could have saved a lot of time for everyone concerned by putting some sort of poll box under his question we could all have just clicked on, such as:
NO
[] MAYBE
Ah well but then what else would I have to do at this unwise hour.
Post by
Tartonga
No, you're not. You're making irrelevant analogies.
You can't know that you're being scammed, but there will be very strong indicators such as the non-market-price of the item in question. And whether the player knows they're being scammed or not doesn't make it any less actionable by Blizzard, or any less a scam.
I'm not implying it is any less of a scam. I'm, however, implying that it is possible to scam people without it being categorized as a scam, which is the solution for the OP. When I changed my point I wasn't even talking to you. If you still think I'm making analogies of the matter that I discussed with you, I invite you to quote me where I supposedly didn't change the matter.
why would you implement a scam for something that, when put on the AH, is likely to sell at that market price anyway?
Because potentially not only your posted item in the AH will get sold, but also your friends posted item? Assuming that you could set the market price of said item, everyone would get some profit and it's likely not possible to tell if you were being scammed.(##RESPBREAK##)12##DELIM##MasterOfDisguise##DELIM##
Post by
admashello
Without a doubt a scam. You want to push your wares, then stick your butt in the AH and re-list items as you're undercut.
haha!
you are only flitter!
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<link 2 removed>(##RESPBREAK##)8##DELIM##Squishalot##DELIM##The OP isn't the only scammer or one breaking the rules. Please read the before posting.
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Post by
lordlundar
I don't understand. It's a scam according to the Blizzard rules, it's a scam "according" to logic, it's even a scam according to law (as stated above it's the an old type of scam, just that it's set in the world of Azeroth), what do you need more? Why are we going in circles?
Because the OP in this thread (like a few of his other threads) knows damn well that what he's "proposing" will get him in trouble. He's just fishing for plausible excuses to challenge the decision with when he does get nailed, assuming he hasn't already.
Post by
lonewarrior
You and another person seem to make the point earlier that stocks can no longer manipulated to cause prices to falsely rise for the sake of a pump and dump scheme. After I had brought up the scam in comparison to the OP scam.
My response back was to say yes the scam is still being employed today even with today's technology and regulations.
Not quite. My point wasn't that they can't be manipulated (hell no!), but rather, that such manipulation is illegal. It can still occur, just like insider trading, but when it is identified, it'll be punished (i.e. it's still a scam).
I see.
Well I wasn't stating anything different. I was just making a comparison. How both are deceptive practices made to lure an unsuspecting victim with visions of profits.
In trying to keep my post to a reasonable read length I perhaps left out some clearer explanation.
As for the OP scam...
I happen to hear a rather interesting philosophical view the other day that stated that we as individuals are constantly in a state of movement. Even if we attempt to remain static...events around us will cause that movement to occur.
In essence we are either moving closer or further away from something or something is move closer or further away from us.
As individuals we make up the sum of that movement in a community.
So I guess to translate that into WoW terms...
every time somebody does what the OP wants to do, it slightly moves the whole WoW community further away from being something good. Maybe we need some threads that will post ideas that will push in the other direction.
Peace.
Post by
MrSCH
There is literally nothing pertaining to the OP in this thread. It's like halfway through a Maiden song, almost unrecognisable to the beginning but equally as awesome to listen to or watch, in this case!
Post by
lonewarrior
There is literally nothing pertaining to the OP in this thread. It's like halfway through a Maiden song, almost unrecognisable to the beginning but equally as awesome to listen to or watch, in this case!
On the contrary...
The OP proposed a gold making tactic and ask the community it's opinion. For the most part this thread has been just that, with some relevant side detours.
A thread about game mechanics is something Blizz can address.
A thread about community behavior is something we need to address.
If the OP wanted to just know the legality of such a move he didn't need to post here he could have opened a ticket with a GM and asked them.
If he didn't care morally he wouldn't have posted at all.
Guess he wanted to know the moral compass of the community that at least is present on this forum. After 10 pages ...I guess he has his answer.
Post by
MrSCH
He asked if he was scamming.
We're now talking about morality, we're arguing about whether it's acceptable and whanot.
We aren't answering his question, we're just hijacking the thread.
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