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C'Thune, Dead or Alive
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Post by
Frostshamadin
So we killed Cthune and his servants started eating his body, but now I read this comic where he's whispering to Chogall and such. So is he alive now or dead?
Post by
Morec0
We can't ever really kill an Old God. They're tied to Azeroth in such a way that, if we were to slay one, it would have disaterous consequences of a greater-than Cataclysm scale. The most we can do to them is beat them into a coma - effectively lobotomizing them - every so often to make sure they dont' get too much power.
Also; welcome to the forums and try to keep short discussions like this to the
General Lore
post.
Post by
Atik
Wasn't there a comic where the remaining Aqir began to eat C'Thun remains though?
Post by
Morec0
Wasn't there a comic where the remaining Aqir began to eat C'Thun remains though?
If there was Cho'gal and his guys likely chased them off, but Wowpedia dosn't say anything about that.
Post by
Gone
♪ Caus he's waaaaanted, waaaaanted, dead or alive ♪
No lol
I am of the opinion that C'Thune is very much dead and that what we saw in that comic was just residue evil driving Cho'gall insane.
OR another theory, it may have been N'Zoth whispering to him through C'Thunes corps. Seems far fetched but I say it because Cho'gall now appears to be working for the new Old God.
Also Moreofrivendare (sorry I can't quote, I'm on
my iPhone ans it makes cutting up quotes a pain). While it was true once that killing the Old Gods would have resulted in the destruction of Azeroth, hence the reason the titans imprisoned them, now I don't think it's the same. During the ordering the Old Gods had all of Azeroth under their controll, but now they have been imprisoned for mire than 65k years, i would say their ties to Azeroth have been either broken or weakened enough that they can be safely destroyed, the fact that the curse of flesh hasn't turned all the mortal races into faceless is proof enough of their hold being broken.
Post by
Adamsm
No; C'thun and Yogg are both still 'alive' but we lobotomized them both by the end of their fights, leaving them unable to do much beyond still speaking to their followers. And no, the Hammer cultists were not eating the Silithius Old God's body; they were worshiping it with Cho'gall who got his upgrade there.
i would say their ties to Azeroth have been either broken or weakened enough that they can be safely destroyed, the fact that the curse of flesh hasn't turned all the mortal races into faceless is proof enough of their hold being broken.I doubt that, since 3 of the 5 main worker races are all flesh creatures now instead of their original stone/metal forms: Dwarves, Gnomes and Vyrkul, with the Giants and the Watchers still having stone/whatever skin. And creatures are turned into Faceless drones after over long exposure to the Old Ones, as the larger Faceless creatures are an actual race of beings they created for themselves.
Post by
Gone
Technically if we lobotomized them their brains would be dead(ish) and their bodies would be alive, what your describing is more like crippled... Only crippled that happens from your brain and stomach being attacked by little men with swords... Idk...
The only problem I have with the theory that they remain alive but crippled if you "kill" them, is why didn't the Titans just do that rather than go through the trouble of putting them in prisons that they just break eventually.
Post by
Adamsm
Technically if we lobotomized them their brains would be dead(ish) and their bodies would be alive, what your describing is more like crippled... Only crippled that happens from your brain and stomach being attacked by little men with swords
.......Right? And? So they aren't dead, and if they could possibly recover, it wouldn't be for several thousand years, going off what originally happened to C'thun when he fought the Titans and the leader of the Forger: He was 'dead' and cast into the sands of Silithus, and didn't make a reappearance till the first War of the Shifting Sands...or at least, his personal avatars didn't.
The only problem I have with the theory that they remain alive but crippled if you "kill" them, is why didn't the Titans just do that rather than go through the trouble of putting them in prisons that they just break eventually.Because 'killing' one costs the lives of a few members of the Forging team? And the only reason they 'broke' out(use the term loosely since Yogg was still stuck in Ulduar), was because of the Sundering tearing the world apart.
Post by
Gone
I would imagine it would cost more lives to subdue and imprison and Old God than to kill it, they didn't kill them because they bound themselvs to Azeroth via the curse of flesh. Also only one Titan died (and he may not have died, only fell).
Post by
killerdinoblood
No no and no.The master is alive and planning.He is not dead at all.And yes,he wants you to think he is crippled or lobotomized or what-not.Beyond the fact that they are freaking Old Gods (Got the Gods in the words?And Gods dont just die by some swords and weak magic.) they are also working together.Yes they are aldo they dont like it.
There was a link in the Wowhead General forums were some guy in the beta saw C'thun and did some quest to slay Night Elf Guards with tenticles coming out of there heads.Cant wait for that patch to come...
What im asking is why are C'thun's own minnions (The Quraj) eating his material form?I mean wtf is up with that?The master should punish them with the screams of a thousand souls.
And last but not least.Its spelled
C'THUN!
No
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at the end and dont forget the
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in C
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thun
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Post by
Na4oLibre
I kinda agree with killerdinoblood
It IS a GOD no way that we will kill such a thing
as said before the titans really thought they killed C'thun. That's why they left him in the sands and not in a complex prison like Yog Saron
In my opinion the titans found out that either they can't kill the old gods(even if it meant the end of azeroth) or that it's way easier to comatose them and lock them up
And if we killed C'thun and Yog Saron .... what happens when we kill the fifth and final one on Azeroth ?
Post by
Adamsm
It IS a GOD no way that we will kill such a thing We've killed Demi-Gods, an Aspect, a Weapon of the Titan designed to wipe out all life on Azeroth, one of the Strongest Necromancer on the planet, a pair of Elemental Lords and a few dozen Elder children of a mad Aspect; and we have lobotomized two Old Gods so far so....
Post by
Gone
I kinda agree with killerdinoblood
It IS a GOD no way that we will kill such a thing
as said before the titans really thought they killed C'thun. That's why they left him in the sands and not in a complex prison like Yog Saron
In my opinion the titans found out that either they can't kill the old gods(even if it meant the end of azeroth) or that it's way easier to comatose them and lock them up
And if we killed C'thun and Yog Saron .... what happens when we kill the fifth and final one on Azeroth ?
But you foret we have a power that no evil can stand against, the unstoppable power of bullsh*t. It is this power that let's us kill gods and aspects and elemental lords.
Also now that I think of it, since the old gods bound themselves to Azeroth shouldn't they have known C'Thun wasn't really dead?
Post by
Na4oLibre
We've killed Demi-Gods, an Aspect, a Weapon of the Titan designed to wipe out all life on Azeroth, one of the Strongest Necromancer on the planet, a pair of Elemental Lords and a few dozen Elder children of a mad Aspect; and we have lobotomized two Old Gods so far so....
The total number of demi-gods we've killed is (drum roll please) 0
Demi-gods are mortal... they dont age but they can be killed... I thing ... the whole thing about Cenarius felt strange to me and messes with my logic so who knows if they are immortal or not
and to be honest how can you compare the power of a dragon to something that has been in coma for longer than the dragon's life.
And honestly I'm not sure that the fight with the 2 old gods was a lobotomy or a lullaby to put them to sleep ... their followers hear them just fine so I just think they went to sleep :)
The weapon you are talking was meant to kill us if the old gods were awake or smthing ... not hold out against us
Arthy wasn't truly immortal AND his power dwarfs that of a old god thousandfold
Post by
Gone
It depends if the Old Gods really are gods or not, they could just be really powerfull aliens. As of now their certainly not omnipotent, and they did lose to the titans 5-1 on their home turf...
That being said as many know the Old Gods are largely based on H.P. Lovecrafts elder gods, which are beyond the cycle of life and death. As to the Old Gods of Azeroth, everybody is always very vocal saying they can be killed or they can't be killed, but the fact is nobody really knows, as far as I know there has been no word from Blizzard on the matter. No in game reference or anything in the novels.
Post by
Adamsm
The total number of demi-gods we've killed is (drum roll please) 0
Demi-gods are mortal... they dont age but they can be killed... I thing ... the whole thing about Cenarius felt strange to me and messes with my logic so who knows if they are immortal or notThe orcs forces killed Cenarius, we've killed the Princess of Maradon(a child of the Elemental Lord of Earth), we took down the Lich King who was on it's way to becoming a demi-god, and we've taken down 7 Watchers of the Titan over the course of the last few years.
and to be honest how can you compare the power of a dragon to something that has been in coma for longer than the dragon's life.The Aspects have been alive since the end of the Ordering.....so that's 65k years you do realize that correct?
And honestly I'm not sure that the fight with the 2 old gods was a lobotomy or a lullaby to put them to sleep ... their followers hear them just fine so I just think they went to sleep :)We went inside of C'thun's head and bashed It's brain, and Yogg's head only was above the pool of saronite....we bashed in their brains but they weren't killed at that point.
The weapon you are talking was meant to kill us if the old gods were awake or smthing ... not hold out against us Algalon was still an immensely powerful entity.
Arthy wasn't truly immortal AND his power dwarfs that of a old god thousandfoldI was referring to KT when I mentioned the Nercomancer....you know, the Hand of the Lich King for more then 15 years.
As to the Old Gods of Azeroth, everybody is always very vocal saying they can be killed or they can't be killed, but the fact is nobody really knows, as far as I know there has been no word from Blizzard on the matter. No in game reference or anything in the novels.Well beside the Ordering story in game saying that's why the 4 were sealed away rather then outright killed.
Post by
Gone
If I recall it said that they were sealed away because killing them (at the time) would have resulted in azeroths destruction, not that they couldn't be killed.
Post by
Frostshamadin
If I recall it said that they were sealed away because killing them (at the time) would have resulted in azeroths destruction, not that they couldn't be killed.
I got the impression that when it said the death of the old gods would kill azeroth it meant that the amount of force needed to kill them would wipe out the planet too. Like using a grenade to kill an ant, without harming the apple it's sitting on.
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