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Frostshamadin
I've never been much of a raider, but the other day I was looking at some of the nightmares that you see inside Yogg-Sarons head in Ulduar, and one of them showed Garona killing Varian Wrynns father. I'm just curious, was she working secretly for the old gods? I always thought she was under the control of the burning legion
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Morec0
While the creation of the demon-soul is indeed an examples of Old Gods influencing lesser races (Neltharion/Deathwing, in this case) it is unknown if Garrona had any direction by the Old God's to do so. What is clear is that the Shadow Council told her to do so, and she was compelled to obey that command.
It is more or less likely him taunting us, being that he says after it "
your
petty quarrles only make me
stronger
" just like with the immolated Champion vision. He likely had nothing to do with Bolvar being captured, and simply showed us that to have us lose faith in ourselves to make it easier to kill us.
EDIT: The Old God's were not manipulating the Legion - from what has been revealed - they simply started to use the fact that the Demon Soul - being made of their power - being used to open the portal to let the Legion loose on Azeroth could release them as well to escape.
Post by
Gone
It depends what the Old Gods really are, if they are in fact
Gods
and not just a bunch of really powerful aliens then one could say that anybody who commits an act of evil is doing their bidding, weather they had a hand in it or not. Kind of like Ares was the Greek God of war, so anybody who went to war was doing his will, even if he didnt personally start the war.
EDIT: some people theorize that the Old Gods may have been the ones who first corrupted Sargeras, but even if that's tue they don't have anything to do with the legion now.
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818479
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Morec0
EDIT: some people theorize that the Old Gods may have been the ones who first corrupted Sargeras, but even if that's tue they don't have anything to do with the legion now.
I thought that was the Nathrezim (dreadlords)?
Based on all material, that is the most accepted idea behind Sargeras' corruption. What Ryjacock is describing is one of the many conspiracy theories surrounding what little we know about the Old Gods - and Sargeras,
here are a number more
.
The Old Gods-Sargeras theory may have been debunked by now, but if it has I've missed it.
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Gone
EDIT: some people theorize that the Old Gods may have been the ones who first corrupted Sargeras, but even if that's tue they don't have anything to do with the legion now.
I thought that was the Nathrezim (dreadlords)?
They havnt really gone into what happened in much detail yet, just that the dreadlords evil upset him, but he still sealed them all away in the twisting nether, and he continued to do his duty for some time after that before he went insane and became the dark bringer of butthurt.
Although when it comes to theory's about the Old Gods I take em with a grain of salt, people theorize that they are everywhere. I've even heard some say that there's one beneath undercity that started whispering to putress and now to sylvanas, I've heard someone els say that there may be one under tol barad.
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Patty
EDIT: some people theorize that the Old Gods may have been the ones who first corrupted Sargeras, but even if that's tue they don't have anything to do with the legion now.
I thought that was the Nathrezim (dreadlords)?
Some speculate that the dreadlords are aligned to the Old Gods, as they seem to stand for similar ideals.
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Morec0
EDIT: some people theorize that the Old Gods may have been the ones who first corrupted Sargeras, but even if that's tue they don't have anything to do with the legion now.
I thought that was the Nathrezim (dreadlords)?
Some speculate that the dreadlords are aligned to the Old Gods, as they seem to stand for similar ideals.
Old Gods only ever lived on Azeroth (not exactly sure, but it is assumed they were local gods before the titans came). Dreadlords lived galaxies away in a corner of the Nether...how would they help each other?
What we can say for sure is that the Old Gods ARE the soruce of all the corruption and sudden rages of creatures wanting to destroy Azeroth since patch 1.1
Another speculation is that the reach of the Old Gods extends far beyond Azeroth, or there are more Old Gods out in the universe. See
Summoned Old God
Post by
Patty
Old Gods only ever lived on Azeroth (not exactly sure, but it is assumed they were local gods before the titans came). Dreadlords lived galaxies away in a corner of the Nether...how would they help each other?
What we can say for sure is that the Old Gods ARE the soruce of all the corruption and sudden rages of creatures wanting to destroy Azeroth since patch 1.1
Well, we can't guarantee that they've only ever lived in Azeroth. The arakkoa in Shadowmoon, as linked by Morec, are seen to be summoning something very similar to the Lovecraftian monsters we've become accustomed to through the Lore.
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Morec0
Old Gods only ever lived on Azeroth (not exactly sure, but it is assumed they were local gods before the titans came). Dreadlords lived galaxies away in a corner of the Nether...how would they help each other?
What we can say for sure is that the Old Gods ARE the soruce of all the corruption and sudden rages of creatures wanting to destroy Azeroth since patch 1.1
Well, we can't guarantee that they've only ever lived in Azeroth. The arakkoa in Shadowmoon, as linked by Morec, are seen to be summoning something very similar to the Lovecraftian monsters we've become accustomed to through the Lore.
Aditionally, there is the quote from Harbringer Skyriss in Aracatraz saying:
We span the universe, as countless as the stars!
This may be nothing more than him taunting us, however.
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Post by
oneforthemoney
We've only been to one more world, and it had been blown up quite thoroughly. But I doubt there was old gods in Draenor, the history if the planet does not really support such if you compare o Azeroth's. But, if they could bring them in from elsewhere...
Post by
Gone
Old Gods only ever lived on Azeroth (not exactly sure, but it is assumed they were local gods before the titans came). Dreadlords lived galaxies away in a corner of the Nether...how would they help each other?
What we can say for sure is that the Old Gods ARE the soruce of all the corruption and sudden rages of creatures wanting to destroy Azeroth since patch 1.1
The Old Gods weren't On Azeroth the first time the Titans came around to plant life on the planet, they came after and corrupted what the titans created with the curse of flesh, then the titans came back and fought them. Besides the arrakoa trying to summon an "ancient and powerful evil" that looked just like C'thune there has never been a mention of an Old God anywhere besides Azeroth, but they are not native to the planet, that much is certin
Post by
KingdomKnight
I, personally, have always thought that the Old Gods were probably the ones to corrupt the Dreadlords to begin with. I don't think it's ever been touched upon why the beings throughout the universe started to become corrupt. It
may
be that the Old Gods were the original source of corruption throughout the universe. As far as an Old God being under the Undercity, I doubt it. But there is evidence to suggest one being in the near vicinity. Personally, I'm hoping it'll be the zone east of Zul'Aman. We know the Old Gods are massive and their reach can stretch quite far. And Temple of Ula'Tek is said to possibly be older than the trolls. Back to the time of the Old Gods.
Post by
Adamsm
1. I still hate Blizzard for putting that scene into the madness visions....seriously, there was no need at all for it.
2. It's not that the Dreadlords were corrupted, but rather the theory is that they are an avatar race, like the Faceless and their ilk, created specifically by the Old Gods to spread their madness.
That said, I've never been a follower of that line of thought that the Old Ones corrupted Sargeras; I prefer his own despair/madness doing that for him, and making him see that Chaos is more important then Order.
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