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Gone
I understand your side of this, but in 5 man heroics, especialy ZG/ZA when you can random into them an infinite number of times a day, I dont see free roll as such a bad thing.
I mean when I hear about situations like this I can see both sides of the story, a DPS who already has to wait for like 10-15 minuts to get into a groupe, and dont have the gear to que as a tank yet should be able to have their chance at loot as well. On the other hand its not fair to you the tank who dosnt MS roll on dps gear if anybody els needs it either. At the end of the day it boils down to 5 mans just not having the same loot rules as a raid.
EDIT: I remember a story from late wotlk when I was working on my tanking set for my paladin I need rolled on the tanking mace that drops in Fos, and our DK tank needed as well and I won, I apologized and explained to him that it was a 5 man and the loot rolls were different after he demanded I pass it to him, at which point he threw a fit and refused to tank the rest of the instance till we had to kick him. It wasnt pretty, honestly I think people make too big a deal about 5 man loot.
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Problimatic
I do agree that it is annoying when an OS beats an MS, however Blizzard has stated several times just this week on the WoW forums that there is nothing they can do about it. They way they see it is in a 5 man group you are rolling for your class and not your spec, Bashiok I think it was stated they would like to be able to implement a way to make it so primary spec was able to have priority but it wasn't possible to do so without hurting the game. Also it isn't a reportable offense if the person wins it even if they shard it in front of you as since the need before greed system allows them to need on it, they are allowed to. (Also if you look under the ninja thing for reporting a ticket, it says they are unable to solve any problems if the loot was on group loot, need before greed or I believe free for all or something.
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slasher0161
...Plus, whenever I go into these instances the repair bill is ridiculously high due to the
usual bugs
and wipes that happen, not to mention the tanks' gear getting beat on...
Bugs, wait what? I agree that it sucks but what are you on about bugs, 5 man content has the least bugs of any content blizzard releases because 98% of the player base can and will access it. Can you please elaborate?
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Temes
The role in which they queue in to the dungeon may not always be their main spec. Some may have decided to switch to tank MS, and then run dungeons in DPS gear and role to get the gear for it.
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Fulgorater
This...The role that you come into a dungeon as is in my opinion the only gear you should be able to role on. In this case, this spec would be considered their main spec.
Coming into a dungeon as a tank and rolling on DPS gear just because "tank queues are faster"...I mean ...come on...how selfish is that?
You role on gear for the spec you queued as....period!
/end rant
umadbro? reroll...
In raids yes, in 5-mans, no(##RESPBREAK##)12##DELIM##Gnub##DELIM##No need for that - be nice.
Post by
AdituSunlock
umadbro? reroll...How? I always get kicked when I tank in my DPS gear...
I agree you should only need on stuff for your offspec (definition: The role you aren't fulfilling in this dungeon) if nobody needs it for main spec.
I usually announce up front if others can need for OS if there's someone else in the group with the same armor specialization as mine, saves a lot of trouble. It's the silent ones that just press need w/o even asking I mildly dislike.
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Problimatic
*sigh* still using the term "ninja" for need before greed. You can't actually ninja. True most people go by the rule that MS > OS. Some people on the other hand don't. Just because you think one way of doing it is the best way doesn't mean that you should degrade the other way. If it were actual "ninja"ing as in someone master looted your piece away from you when there are clear loot rules set up. Then yes that is against the rules and is considered a "ninja." What is not ninjaing is when someone rolls on offspec gear with a need roll. They need it for their OS you need it for your MS. Both of you "need" the gear. Is having a single person to roll against really that bad? Also if you could only roll for the gear for the spec you are currently in, queue times would increase dramatically. Many people I know go dps until they have enough tank/healer gear. This is because it is easier to "carry" a dps than a tank/healer. If the tank/healer is not performing up to par due to their gear, then they won't be getting any gear since they will be flirting with the spirit healer every few minutes.
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xavierpjg
Sorry but since i've started my pally tank, tank gear is all i've ever had. I haven't decided whether i'm gonig heals or dps as offspec for raiding but when i do you better believe i'm needing the stuff in heroics. As a successful tank your keeping everyone else alive. Least you can do is keep a bone for yourself.
stuff in za/zg is only itl 353 anyways. It WILL eventually get replaced by either vp gear or stuff from raids. I can see where ppl are coming from, however, imo ZA/ZG is just another prepping dungeon for raids. Like i tell ppl in dungeons when they ask "mind if i need for offspec?", If you really NEED it then hit the need button. If you win Great. If not, hey better luck next time.
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xavierpjg
The system isn't perfect, but implementation of MS vs OS is not possible due to itemization issues: is str/stam/hit/mastery a tanking or DPS item? What about int/spirit/haste gear? Spirit = regen for healers and hit for come caster dps. What can be done?
Class restrictions - for example hunters could not roll on items with strength (I've had a hunter ninja a tanking ring from me) or warriors/pallies/DKs can't roll on agi items.
This is not an ultimate solution, but a step in a good direction.
What i do not understand about blizzard is they can't put a system like this into place, but, they can put a system in that differentiates what profession you have to be able to roll on an item. (chaos orb) I can see where your coming from with the tankin vs dps items. but they should be able to implement something so a dps hunter can't take a str item, or casters can't take agil/str items.
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Hank
What i do not understand about blizzard is they can't put a system like this into place, but, they can put a system in that differentiates what profession you have to be able to roll on an item. (chaos orb) I can see where your coming from with the tankin vs dps items. but they should be able to implement something so a dps hunter can't take a str item, or casters can't take agil/str items.
I don't think it's a matter of can or can't... It's more a matter of that they don't feel it's something they want to spend time on and retroactively assign spec weights to all of the items in the game.
As far as weighing in on the subject at hand... Do I think it sucks that Mr Kitty DPS snagged the healer mace in ZA from my Resto Shammy? Yeah, it blows. Would I have been equally as peeved had it gone to a Boomkin? Probably not. Am I going to let it bother me either way? No. I have quite a bit of patience and will be running those instances to VP cap until newer and better 5 man content comes out.
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