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Stoneskin Gargoyle vs Swordshattering Discussion Thread
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Post by
Fizzles
Here
is my DK, for reference.
What would be the best option? I stack Mastery, so I would have thought that the Stamina from Gargoyle would be a better option, but people are saying that Swordshattering is better at certain levels of play.
I mostly tank Heroics, sometimes dipping into normal-mode raiding if my guild needs it. Which is better?
I don't have any maths or formula to offer.
Commence SG v SS discussion thread.
Post by
Fjh13
Swordshattering. 4% Parry with no diminishing returns far outweighs about 2k HP and 800 armor.
Post by
Zakkhar
They were close before the Blood presence armor nerf (from 60% increase to 30% increase).
Now, however Swordshattering is clearly better.
You stack mastery, so stamina is not your concern. Both
Death Strike
and
Mastery: Blood Shield
operate on damage taken. Max Hp is there just as minimum factor when you dont get hit (to build up the shield). Obviously stamina isnt your big concern when you dont take any hits.
Feel free to read up on it here:
http://www.wowhead.com/forums&topic=183309
for example.
PS: Switch your red gem in head for parry/mastery. Reforge parry from chest to mastery (i dont get people who skip socket bonuses to stack mastery yet not reforge every source possible) - you need top drop some parry anyway, you got almost 300 more parry than dodge, enchant boots with lavascale, get some non dps shoulders.
Your spec is wierd. Wend to frost took everything but the really important - Lichborne*. Plus you got no Sanguine Fortitude (seems you dont like your IBF to be 50% reduction and free).
Glyphs: Rune strike is top single target threat and damage glyph. Would replace DS. You got runspeed on boots yet using bone shield glyph, sure its more than 8%, but no point in doubling it. Either pick 50 mastery to boots, or use different glyph.
* - Lichborne isnt a pvp (only) skill as you may have thought skipping it. It makes you able to heal yourself with death coil due to undead transformation. Each heal is about 30k. You should be able to pop about 6, maybe less. 2 min cd, 180k healing - not too shabby. A bit more with Vampiric blood active.
#showtooltip
/use lichborne
/use death coil
Should be spammable.
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Post by
Zakkhar
hi, just wanted to ask how are Dks able to keep parry close to dodge?
Same way anyone else do. Reforge all non mastery items to mastery. And than reforge out of the higher stat to lower stat (eg. parry to dodge) on avoidance/mastery items.
This site does the balance for you:
http://www.askmrrobot.com/wow/gear
from the gear i have and i reforged everything (other than parry and mastery) to dodge, the parry seems close to dodge at around 13% without SS
I dont understand this statament.
.....not all the gems are dodge but many are
If you are using dodge gems anywhere you are doing it wrong. Mastery > Dodge and both are yellow.
anyway, hcs ain't that hard so i've been using FC reforge or SSG, will SS be more beneficial with around 4% difference between parry and dodge?
FC useless tank enchant (neglectable healing a parry boost on proc).
SSG, unnecesary stats and little boost.
SS wins.
Post by
Aris
the nice thing about SS is its 4% avoidance that is not effected by diminishing returns.
I was using SSG, then one day i wanted to know what i'd lose to gain 4% avoidance. So i went and runeforged my weapon back n forth, and back n forth about a half dozen times.
I lose like 2k health, and around 1% damage mitigation from armor.... and i gain 4% avoidance.
2k health when your probably have over 150k health already.. It's like a drop in the bucket. It's almost not even worth mentioning.
So then it ends up being 1% physical damage mitigation vs 4% avoidance.
Now maybe if it was 2% damage mitigation from armor and like 5-10k health, I'd probably stick with SSG. But the way it is now. 4% avoidance is just too good.
Post by
Infinitekaos
* - Lichborne isnt a pvp (only) skill as you may have thought skipping it. It makes you able to heal yourself with death coil due to undead transformation. Each heal is about 30k. You should be able to pop about 6, maybe less. 2 min cd, 180k healing - not too shabby. A bit more with Vampiric blood active.
#showtooltip
/use lichborne
/use death coil
Should be spammable.
180k? Where are you getting 240 Runic Power to spam 30k heals 6 times!
You do know the glyph no longer refunds 20 Runic Power to heal if you heal yourself with it right?
I'd say you'd get max 90k in heals if you save all your runic power. And even then you'd have to be glyphed for DC in a Major Glyph slot to get 30k out of it. I'd say it averages to about 23k or less per DC.
That being said though, I have the talent too because there really is nothing better.
Post by
Zakkhar
180k? Where are you getting 240 Runic Power to spam 30k heals 6 times!
Lichborne lasts 10 seconds. You got place for 4 gcd abilities and infinite amount of non GCD and passive abilities within the Lichborne duration.
130 base rp. Arcane torrent (no gcd) = 15*, HoW = 10, DS = 10 (used to be 5 per rune dunno if that changed with cata),
Empower Rune Weapon
=25 and last but not least,
(two hander should be able to hit about 3 times within the 10s period) = up to 20.
130 + 20 (scent) + 15 (torrent) + 10 (how) + 25 (empRW) + 30 (3 DS) = tada 230.
Yes - i am belf. I cba explaining.
That being said though, I have the talent too because there really is nothing better.
I dont. I got Morbidity.
But I am different. In Wotlk I tanked in Unholy. I was devastated with the cata change, forcing me to spec blood, but i adapted.
Post by
Orranis
I dont. I got Morbidity.
But I am different. In Wotlk I tanked in Unholy. I was devastated with the cata change, forcing me to spec blood, but i adapted.
Unholy is about as viable for tanking now as it was after Naxxaramas. Morbidity is useful for Halfus and that's it, out of all the fights. Maybe if you could pick it up along with Lichborne, but alas it does nothing else for pretty much all raid encounters.
Post by
Zakkhar
I dont. I got Morbidity.
But I am different. In Wotlk I tanked in Unholy. I was devastated with the cata change, forcing me to spec blood, but i adapted.
Unholy is about as viable for tanking now as it was after Naxxaramas. Morbidity is useful for Halfus and that's it, out of all the fights. Maybe if you could pick it up along with Lichborne, but alas it does nothing else for pretty much all raid encounters.
I tanked ICC with Unholy just fine. It maybe does nothing for you (and thats why you dont have it), it does for me. It brings more fun to my gameplay.
Post by
Badaccus
... I cba explaining...
You just did. And a rather long explanation at that, you sure you know what cba stands for? =P ^^
Post by
Zakkhar
... I cba explaining...
You just did. And a rather long explanation at that, you sure you know what cba stands for? =P ^^
Cant be arsed. You are free to search along the topics for my reasons.
Post by
Badaccus
... I cba explaining...
You just did. And a rather long explanation at that, you sure you know what cba stands for? =P ^^
Cant be arsed. You are free to search along the topics for my reasons.
Cant be arsed explaining, yet you did explain? You
still
missed the point entirely. For the second time.
Post by
Zakkhar
... I cba explaining...
You just did. And a rather long explanation at that, you sure you know what cba stands for? =P ^^
Cant be arsed. You are free to search along the topics for my reasons.
Cant be arsed explaining, yet you did explain? You
still
missed the point entirely. For the second time.
I didint explain anything. I just made you feel i explained. Your knowledge about my reasons for picking belf is still the same as it was before i made that statement. No, its not the racial.
I missed your point? Is your point of making this discussion as much offtopic as possible? Working good so far.
Post by
Fjh13
180k? Where are you getting 240 Runic Power to spam 30k heals 6 times!
Lichborne lasts 10 seconds. You got place for 4 gcd abilities and infinite amount of non GCD and passive abilities within the Lichborne duration.
130 base rp. Arcane torrent (no gcd) = 15*, HoW = 10, DS = 10 (used to be 5 per rune dunno if that changed with cata),
Empower Rune Weapon
=25 and last but not least,
(two hander should be able to hit about 3 times within the 10s period) = up to 20.
130 + 20 (scent) + 15 (torrent) + 10 (how) + 25 (empRW) + 30 (3 DS) = tada 230.
Yes - i am belf. I cba explaining.
That being said though, I have the talent too because there really is nothing better.
I dont. I got Morbidity.
But I am different. In Wotlk I tanked in Unholy. I was devastated with the cata change, forcing me to spec blood, but i adapted.
Heh, I've tanked Blood since I created my DK towards the end of WotLK. (still pre 4.0). ;)
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Post by
Orranis
I tend to tank with Fallen Crusader simply for the occasional proc heal and increased threat I don't tank anything higher than regular 5-mans though, so i wouldn't know how much of an issue 4% extra avoidance would cause. I have a feeling that it mostly falls to preferred playstyle, like most of the variations in this game.
No, no, no, no, no.
I mean, sure you could argue that it's just five-man normals, but at the same time you might as well gem strength use every Death Rune of Heart Strike and try to maximize damage taken for vengeance and just DPS.
Post by
Aris
Heh, I've tanked Blood since I created my DK towards the end of WotLK. (still pre 4.0). ;)
I miss having HB as a frost tank still to this day. /cry
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