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Post by
Rekijan
Well I was on backup and only got in called very late (1 and a half boss fights :P ). Maybe more luck to test some other day.
For what its worth:
The one kill I was in
Same boss earlier with AffDrain
The damage with SB is indeed higher, even though I got hit by an extra instance of lightning rod.
19290.1dps vs 17025.4dps. But that is just of one fight.
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Post by
asakawa
I do have to disagree with you there,
There's nothing to disagree with.
DL
has
taken a 25% nerf and Rekijan was actually drawing no conclusions from the too small data set, just looking to see if a recognisable pattern of lowered DPS emerges since the nerf.
Post by
Rekijan
Right then another raid night, but now things got messed up I am afraid. You see we killed Halfus HC first, and I got two nice upgrades (H tier chest, H offhand). So I am going to post the logs but I am not sure anymore how to interpret them now with my measly math skills.
Omnotron AffSB
Omnotron AffDrain
3k less then AffSB
Omnotron AffDrain (earlier)
2k less then AffSB
Heroic Atremedes AffSB
H Atre AffDrain
779 dps less
Take out of it what you will, I am not sure anymore (because of the upgrades in gear).
I do have to disagree with you there, I don't have any WoL atm to back it up. With full 359 gear I don't have a problem to do 19-20k each fight with DL, if you don't clip it bad ofc.
Beside where a DL-user can just stop at 75% of the cast to make sure DoTs don't fall off
a SB-user on the other hand has way more problems with this. because if he had to stop at 75% of the SB cast he would've wasted all that cast time, if he keeps casting he would lose dots (which is even worse). So in theory DL is better then SB. At least if you don't clip.
(I do tend to use the nightfall proc tho I'm not interrupting DL to cast it.)
On the other hand if you watch the Simcrafts of Demo, destro and both afflidrain and affli there is just about no difference, around 300-400dps so basically its better to just play what you like best, you tend to more dps with a spec you like a lot compared to one you dislike.
In addition to what asakawa already said, I would like to state that I am not writing off AffDrain. I still have fights were I hit 20+k with that spec, I am just supplying data from me trying stuff.
About stopping DL earlier. I do that too and the theory about uptime on dots indeed sounds solid, and I have the same theory really. The thing to remember though is that there is a breaking point in there, if DL's damage is too far below SB's (in addition to it costing more mana) then it would mean using DL's as filler nuke won't be worth even that flexibility. Where that breaking point in damage is, I don't know. And of course cancelling DL mid cast means to you dropping even more mana, you do have mana feed but I am not sure if that is enough meaning it could lead to having to life tap an additional time. Which means another GCD not used to dps.
But I don't have any numbers to back up the above paragraph, just something to keep in mind.
Post by
AWildmann
Well, another shot to the kneecap of warlocks, glyph of soul swap is gonna be 30 secs, up from 15 =/
Post by
Nintiv
*Nintiv lets out a long, drawn-out sigh*
Again?
Post by
Darkprodigy
I'm personally tired of these warlock nerfs, then you look at the other portion of patch notes and feral druids are getting a buff...
Post by
Rekijan
An additional 15sec cd on an ability that only saves a cd is not really something to qq about.
Locks are in a good place right now, and they will be even with this ever so slight nerf.
Post by
AWildmann
I know its really not that bad, but its gonna be way double the annoyance to dot more than 2 targets.
Post by
Deepthought
An additional 15sec cd on an ability that only saves a cd is not really something to qq about.
Locks are in a good place right now, and they will be even with this ever so slight nerf.It's more of a PvP nerf, now we will have to cast UA a lot more.
Post by
DraconisAerius
An additional 15sec cd on an ability that only saves a cd is not really something to qq about.
Locks are in a good place right now, and they will be even with this ever so slight nerf.
It's a pain in the ass nerf for soloing and farming. When I go farming Embersilk Colth I go as afflic *because* I can dot up one target and then just soul swap and DS for the next hour. This is going to be a massive nerf to famring time as afflic.
Post by
asakawa
Farming embersilk sounds pretty dull.
No loss ^_^
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275441
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Post by
AWildmann
Oh boy, I wish arena was never created.
But still, at least I think this is the last of the nerfs for us on this patch.
Post by
LookOut
Hmm guess I won't stay above 1550 for long then :-/
Post by
Nintiv
I actually wish that Blizz would remove Glyph of Soul Swap and do something to the single target damage. In PvP it still feels quite low...
Post by
asakawa
We nerfed Drain Life because Affliction was forsaking Shadowbolt in PvE, which wasn’t intended. We want Drain Life to be for utility, not primarily for damage, and we want all casters to have to hard cast at least some of the time.
Well, I've always wanted an official Blizzard quote to state their stance on Drain Life as filler in PvE and here we have it.
Post by
AWildmann
I only use DL now on very group damaging fights, which tend to take some load off of healers.
But you can see that the damage is lower due to that 'utility' like they said.
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756794
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Post by
asakawa
Good find. The DPCT paragraph is interesting to me also. They actually expected that DL should be even below Incinerate for Affliction?
(
Here's the source
for anyone interested. Personally I
really
miss Ghostcrawler's consistent and candid contributions. The Dev Watercooler posts are interesting but it's not the same.)
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