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Osama Bin Laden is dead
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Post by
OverZealous
I can understand the motivations of the U.S government and why they wanted Bin Ladin dead.. Justified is another matter, but he killed (although mostly, I think, indirectly) U.S citizens, and as such, you have as much right as possible to try to avenge them.
Oh, I do not expect you to feel sad for him. I do not. I do however disapprove of the decision to call him a "Bonus". If he did indeed kill innocent people in his lifetime and plotted against various governments of the world, and there is proof of this,
then
I might understand why someone would call him that. In the present situation, however, I do not.
Heh, I foolishly went with LeionX's Youtube quote on the previous page, without looking up the actual numbers. My bad, I'm editing that.
Post by
Skreeran
I too don't approve of calling the kill a "bonus." Some death are necessary, or justified, but I would never call the death of a person a "bonus," as that implies that a person dying is a prize or a reward. I don't think death should ever be considered such. Victory? Sometimes. Fair? Sometimes. Necessary? Sometimes. But I don't think it should ever be considered a prize or anything like that.
If Osama bin Laden's son (can't find his name) was active in plotting terrorist attacks with his father, then like you I could see how his death could be a positive thing. However, if he was simply loyal to his father and chose to give up his life in an attempt to defend him, then I must say it's strictly neutral. If he were simply an innocent victim who was hunted down because his name is "bin Laden" (note that I'm not suggesting this is what occurred, just an example), then it would most definitely be negative.
Post by
OverZealous
I'm glad we're on the same page on that, Skreeran.
Apparently, the name of the remains secret until further notice, as I wasn't able to find his name on any of the major (and minor) news-sites.
I agree. Somehow though, I feel that he was merely the average arabic son, dangerously loyal to his father even when it endangered his life. The Qur-an, I believe, states that it is sin not to follow the father. If an arab believer were to choose between abandoning his father, and his beliefs, or following the word of Allah, i think most will likely go with the second option.
I do believe, too, that there is too much hate on the "bin Ladin" name, which is(or was?) actually a Saudiarabian very respected billionare family, but this fact seems to have been largely forgotten after 9/11. We will just wait and see until more information about the yet unnamed son is released.
Post by
Patty
Umm, I'm happy because it's the start of the decline on world terror.
He got what he deserved, his son died too which is a bonus.
How exactly? Al-Qaeda has more than one leader, and it would be quite ridiculous to try and pin all of the organisation's actions at one man's doorstep. Not to say that Bin Laden had not been, in the past certainly, a key leader, but his death to me seems much more symbolic than strategic. Also bear in mind that the US officials will try to maintain that there was extreme justifiability and strategic importance in his death, which may be an inflation of the truth. In fact, Al-Qaeda is, as far as I'm currently aware, more active in areas such as Yemen rather than Pakistan and Afghanistan. As Sinespe argued earlier, many terrorist organisations function in a cellular manner to ensure their survival.
Post by
xaratherus
Not sure if anyone else has done this, but . . . has anyone else accidentally 'spoonerized' and wound up saying that 'Obama (sin Laden)' was dead?
Post by
Patty
Not sure if anyone else has done this, but . . . has anyone else accidentally 'spoonerized' and wound up saying that 'Obama (sin Laden)' was dead?
Fox did
,
probably a Freudian slip.
Post by
Meggie
The Enron scandal was more expensive than 9/11. It brought the State of California to its knees. Noone (like, zero people) got assassinated by federal forces.
The flooding of New Orleans was more lethal than 9/11. It looks like state sponsored ethnic cleansing. Only a few (low) operatives received marginal punishments.
The culling of the current Bahrain uprising by Saudis under western supervision seems to be more lethal than 9/11. It is still going on, but we don't hear much about it.
Post by
Patty
The Enron scandal was more expensive than 9/11. It brought the State of California to its knees. Noone (like, zero people) got assassinated by federal forces.
The flooding of New Orleans was more lethal than 9/11. It looks like state sponsored ethnic cleansing. Only a few (low) operatives received marginal punishments.
The culling of the current Bahrain uprising by Saudis under western supervision seems to be more lethal than 9/11. It is still going on, but we don't hear much about it.
...Your point being? That 9/11 isn't the most lethal or expensive event in human history? Shock, horror!
Post by
91278
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Post by
xaratherus
That'll do, Internet.
That'll do.
Post by
Meggie
I've watched the middle east drama, starting with the Persia revolution. I saw Saddam Hussein getting installed by us. He even was the head of a Christian faction, it was a complete joke. Then Saddam broke away and you know the (should be) end. The same with Bin Laden. Member of the Saudi Royal Family, recruited by the CIA to fight in the Afghan war. But he got ditched and well, let's say he had a passion for his former work.
This is my point:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_on_Terror_%28game%29
The rules of this game is the best macro-economic model I ever saw.
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91278
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Post by
Monday
So, I'm annoyed I told my family about it. My brother used it to go on an anti-Obama ultra right wing rant.
Post by
Interest
That'll do, Internet.
That'll do.
You, sir. You have made me laugh so hard with this one.
Oh my god LOL.
Post by
107106
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Post by
Monday
So, I'm annoyed I told my family about it. My brother used it to go on an anti-Obama ultra right wing rant.
How does THAT work?
"OH MY GOD HE DID SOMETHING THAT HIS PREDECESSOR THAT I SUPPORTED WAS TRYING TO DO. WHAT A HORRIBLE PRESIDENT."
Basically something about how if he was less liberal and spent more on the military and did black ops missions Osama would be dead by now. I don't even know =P
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107106
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Post by
Monday
I know, that's why didn't bother arguing back =P
Post by
Dragalthor
Whenever something like this happens I am always reminded on the talk between Gandalf and Frodo in the Lord of the Rings about Gollum.
Frodo: Gollum deserves death.
Gandalf: Death, death, I daresay he does deserve death but many that die deserve life, can you give it to them? Then be not so quick to deal out death as a judgment.
I realise that the whole quote is about made up characters in a made up book where the consequences are not like those in real life. However, I feel that no matter what the justification the mere fact of taking away another person's life should be very carefully considered before the act and not used as a celebration after the fact.
A couple of other things that I noticed whilst reading through this thread, one of which is that Bin Laden is still quite a common name in the Middle East and I can always remember walking from a ship into town in Dubai we would always pass a new hotel being built by Bin Laden building company.
Also I agree strongly with whoever it was that mentioned that the whole terror and war on terror thing has been used by the western governments as a form of propoganda. In the UK for much of my early life the IRA and other Irish terrorist/freedom fighter (depending on your viewpoint) groups had been merrily blowing up various parts of the country and the nation as a whole didn't descend into confused panic over it all. As soon as 9/11 and to a lesser extent the atrocities of July 7th happened both the UK and US seem to have descended into deeper and deeper pools of paranoia about Muslim extremists.
Post by
Firallon
I feel the same elation I did when I saw Sadam Hussein being hanged. The world is down one more evil man, yet there are so many more to go. It makes me proud to be an American when I see headlines like these. Congratulations JSOC, you did your job well, and are getting the credit you so rightly deserve this time.
And also
*Ahem*....
AMERICA! ^&*! YEAH!
That is all.(##RESPBREAK##)8##DELIM##Kangi##DELIM##
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