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Post by
Adamsm
Deathwing is the grand manipulator, and lackey to no one.
Deathwing will be whatever is most convenient to Blizzard for him to be, no more, no less. I have Kael'thas in mind when I say this.
Then you do need to do some research, whether you care about lore or not.
Kael's master plan, take 15:
Step 1: Join up with Illidan, steal the plan for how to feed his people.
Step 2: Take over the interdimensional Naaru space ship known as the Tempest Keep.
Step 3: Plant half a dozen Mana Forges across the highest concentration of pure mana in Outland and start draining all that energy.
Step 4: Shunt all that energy into the Keep.
Step 5: Once all the magic is gone, prepare the engines.
Step 6: Use the Keep to plane shift to Azeroth, and the resulting destruction from the teleport starts a chain reaction which would destroy all of Outland, wiping out Vashj, Illidan and the entire Illidari army.
Step 7: Return home to Azeroth as a hero, and raise his people up, and use the power of the Keep to eradicate Arthas and the Scourge.
Revised plan following the set back after his defeat:
Step 1: Pretend to serve the Legion.
Step 2: Summon Kil'Jaeden.
Step 3: Betray KJ and the Legion and transform them all into living batteries for his people.
Step 4: Hero again.
Kael was a well written bad guy, unfortunately, due to memes, he was turned into a joke. Out of all the BC Villains, he was the real threat.
Speaking as someone who hasn't read any of the books people keep referencing here, right now Deathwing comes across as another generic dragon (out of a cast of millions of generic dragons) who's having a giant temper tantrum for reasons unclear to me. It isn't particularly interesting because there's always some pissed off dragon somewhere, this one is just bigger. Meh.
He is the biggest, the baddest, and the worst of the Azerothian dragons.
Post by
Gone
I bolded that last part which, to me at least, indicates there's someone more powerful than Deathwing calling the shots from behind the scenes. Someone less powerful than you can't make you more powerful, no?
Doesn't mean he's not playing the Old Gods.
even if he is playing them, that dosnt change the fact that this baccks up my original theory that an old god is behind all this *!@#, even if deathwing has his own agenda that dosnt mean an OG isnt higher up in the villian higherarchy, and will be an end game boss. i mean kael was playing KJ but it didnt change the fact that KJ was still behind all the #$%^ goin down in outlands, and that KJ was the end game boss of BC
Post by
Gone
also earlier you said in responce to me claming that DW was so juiced up now caus of the old gods, that it wasnt true he was just more powerfull now because of spending time in deepholme, i found this on wowwikki
"In recent years, the whisperings of the Old Gods have gotten worse; the Old Ones' dread power steadily increased as C'Thun and Yogg-Saron stirred from their ancient slumbers, and the growing influence of the Old Gods has magnified Deathwing's power ten-fold"
Post by
Gone
oh last thing (sorry for multiple posts) skip to 5:25 in this video, he has freakin tenticles and #$%^ comming out of him EXACTLY like loken did when he was being empowered by yogg-sauron
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sc9SEuqneeo
Post by
Gone
ok i lied, one more
"In Blizzcon 2010's Quests and Lore panel, Chris Metzen revealed that the third named Old God, which is to be revealed in Cataclysm, will be called N'Zath. Metzen also implied that this Old God may be the one "signing Deathwing's checks". N'Zath is also responsible for the Emerald Nightmare."
Post by
xaratherus
He's on the box. He will be the end-game boss.
illidan was supposed to be the end game boss from BC, and he was on the box but kil'jaeden was the end game boss.
Which Blizzard admitted repeatedly was a mistake that they weren't going to repeat.
If you have not completed the quests in Twilight Highlands (or if you did, but didn't bother to pay any attention to them), then you essentially missed the largest chunk of why Deathwing will be the final enemy in this expansion.
**POTENTIAL SPOILER ALERT**
The dragon aspect of life itself was not able to destroy him.
More to the point, Alexstrasza - arguably the most powerful dragon on the planet, the chosen leader of the dragonflights, and the caretaker of power directly from the Titans (the ones who
created
Azeroth) was left nearly dead by her encounter with Deathwing, while the former Earth Warden was not even really phased by it.
Post by
Adamsm
even if he is playing them, that dosnt change the fact that this baccks up my original theory that an old god is behind all this *!@#, even if deathwing has his own agenda that dosnt mean an OG isnt higher up in the villian higherarchy, and will be an end game boss. i mean kael was playing KJ but it didnt change the fact that KJ was still behind all the #$%^ goin down in outlands, and that KJ was the end game boss of BC
That's like saying God is higher up then an Archangel. And I never said they weren't, but in every expansion, the Old Gods have never been the 'ultimate' boss; C'thun and AQ were merely a stepping stone into Naxx 40, Ulduar was the stop gap between the original three raids and TotC.....just because they are the strongest threats on Azeroth, doesn't make them the final boss.
And KJ was the motivation for the Illidari, but you rarely saw the hand of the Legion itself in Outlands; Mag's was a prisoner of the Hellfire Orcs, and Kazzak was the only actual Legion boss there till Sunwell came out.
also earlier you said in responce to me claming that DW was so juiced up now caus of the old gods, that it wasnt true he was just more powerfull now because of spending time in deepholme, i found this on wowwikki
"In recent years, the whisperings of the Old Gods have gotten worse; the Old Ones' dread power steadily increased as C'Thun and Yogg-Saron stirred from their ancient slumbers, and the growing influence of the Old Gods has magnified Deathwing's power ten-fold"
He still got an upgrade while he was in Deepholme.
oh last thing (sorry for multiple posts) skip to 5:25 in this video, he has freakin tenticles and #$%^ comming out of him EXACTLY like loken did when he was being empowered by yogg-sauron
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sc9SEuqneeo
That's been retconned; that is the fight in the Twilight Highlands against Alexstraza, and he no longer has them.
ok i lied, one more
"In Blizzcon 2010's Quests and Lore panel, Chris Metzen revealed that the third named Old God, which is to be revealed in Cataclysm, will be called N'Zath. Metzen also implied that this Old God
may be
the one "signing Deathwing's checks". N'Zath is also responsible for the Emerald Nightmare."
Bolded for emphasis.
Also, you don't have to double/triple/quadruple post, just hit the Edit button if your still the last poster.
Post by
Gone
He's on the box. He will be the end-game boss.
illidan was supposed to be the end game boss from BC, and he was on the box but kil'jaeden was the end game boss.
Which Blizzard admitted repeatedly was a mistake that they weren't going to repeat.
If you have not completed the quests in Twilight Highlands (or if you did, but didn't bother to pay any attention to them), then you essentially missed the largest chunk of why Deathwing will be the final enemy in this expansion.
**POTENTIAL SPOILER ALERT**
The dragon aspect of life itself was not able to destroy him.
More to the point, Alexstrasza - arguably the most powerful dragon on the planet, the chosen leader of the dragonflights, and the caretaker of power directly from the Titans (the ones who
created
Azeroth) was left nearly dead by her encounter with Deathwing, while the former Earth Warden was not even really phased by it.
that kinda didnt make any sence, you basicly just said that since deathwing was stronger than alexstraza hes aparently the most powerfull badass blizz could throw at you. its true the dragon aspects are very powerfull, but the old gods are on a completley different teir, alexstraza is so powerfull because the titans granted her a small portion of their powers, C'thune an old god, personaly killed a titan. also if you had read my other post you would have seen that i posted a video of the very encounter you were talking about, where you see deathwing say "then witness my new gifts, bestowed on me by the true masters of this world" as well as the part where he colapses to the ground with old god like tenticles sprouting out of him, ala loken
Post by
Adamsm
You do realize Ryjacork we've never faced off against a full powered Old God right? All of the ones we've taken on have either been sealed away or partially injured from other occurrences. They also don't fight physically unless there is no other choice; yes C'thun killed one of the Titan forgers....and the Forger knocked his giant tentacled ass into the sands of what would become Silithus, weakened almost to the point of death; it took him thousands of years, as this happened shortly after the Ordering started up, to get to the point we fought him in Vanilla.
N'zoth recently suffered a setback as well, as Stromrage showed; where Malfurion destroyed his Mouth/Avatar Xavius, and removed his influence from all but a small portion of the Emerald Dream.
Post by
Gone
That's like saying God is higher up then an Archangel. And I never said they weren't, but in every expansion, the Old Gods have never been the 'ultimate' boss; C'thun and AQ were merely a stepping stone into Naxx 40, Ulduar was the stop gap between the original three raids and TotC.....just because they are the strongest threats on Azeroth, doesn't make them the final boss.
And KJ was the motivation for the Illidari, but you rarely saw the hand of the Legion itself in Outlands; Mag's was a prisoner of the Hellfire Orcs, and Kazzak was the only actual Legion boss there till Sunwell came out.
as far as vanilla gos, there is no "end game" boss caus there was no ongoing storyline, KT wasnt the end game, he was just the last boss they relesed before BC
and yogg really had nothing to do with the story in wotlk, so he couldnt have been the end game boss, since he wasnt related to the LK or the scourge, this clearly isnt the case with deathwing and cataclysm, if there is an old god involved, who would be higher up than deathwing, he would be the end game boss IMO
That's been retconned; that is the fight in the Twilight Highlands against Alexstraza, and he no longer has them.
maby because it gave away too much too early?
Also, you don't have to double/triple/quadruple post, just hit the Edit button if your still the last poster.
exellent way of deflecting and not adressing what was probobly my strongest point :)
Post by
Adamsm
That's like saying God is higher up then an Archangel. And I never said they weren't, but in every expansion, the Old Gods have never been the 'ultimate' boss; C'thun and AQ were merely a stepping stone into Naxx 40, Ulduar was the stop gap between the original three raids and TotC.....just because they are the strongest threats on Azeroth, doesn't make them the final boss.
And KJ was the motivation for the Illidari, but you rarely saw the hand of the Legion itself in Outlands; Mag's was a prisoner of the Hellfire Orcs, and Kazzak was the only actual Legion boss there till Sunwell came out.
as far as vanilla gos, there is no "end game" boss caus there was no ongoing storyline, KT wasnt the end game, he was just the last boss they relesed before BC
and yogg really had nothing to do with the story in wotlk, so he couldnt have been the end game boss, since he wasnt related to the LK or the scourge, this clearly isnt the case with deathwing and cataclysm, if there is an old god involved, who would be higher up than deathwing, he would be the end game boss IMOUm, no, KT was the end of the Vanilla, and final enemy as the original Scourge invasion threatened the world and we had to stop him; yes only a small portion of the player base ever saw it, but it was still there. Did you do any of the quests involving the Saronite mines in Icecrown? Where the miners were driven insane by the whispering of Yogg, they had a Faceless one chained up, and the Scourge were mocking the Death God. Also, Yogg's influence was felt all across Northrend, same as the LK's, but Yogg's was done much better; you saw his corruption in Grizzly Hills, ZD, portions of Fjord and Tundra, and Dragonblight. Had Yogg been freed, he probably would have destroyed the Lich King the same way we destroy fleas; as you've been saying, the Old Gods are the largest threat out there.....but that's precisely why they aren't the end game bosses.
That's been retconned; that is the fight in the Twilight Highlands against Alexstraza, and he no longer has them.
maby because it gave away too much too early?No, it was in Beta. Blizzard must have taken it out because it was ridiculously cheesy.
Also, you don't have to double/triple/quadruple post, just hit the Edit button if your still the last poster.
exellent way of deflecting and not adressing what was probobly my strongest point :)
Not really; the panel said 'Maybe' not 'Deathwing is a servant of the Old God N'zoth'; merely what you were reading into something.
Also, nice job on the post this time, well done.
Post by
Gone
Um, no, KT was the end of the Vanilla, and final enemy as the original Scourge invasion threatened the world and we had to stop him; yes only a small portion of the player base ever saw it, but it was still there.
i have to say i disagree with that, as there wasnt really an ongoing story in vanilla (to me), it felt more like day to day life in azeroth, with blizz introducing new raids that didnt really have anything to do with each other as time went on. the scourge in azeroth has been going on since WC3, it wasnt some new threat introduced in vanilla, and i beleive the launch of wow takes place 10 years after WC3
Did you do any of the quests involving the Saronite mines in Icecrown? Where the miners were driven insane by the whispering of Yogg, they had a Faceless one chained up, and the Scourge were mocking the Death God. Also, Yogg's influence was felt all across Northrend, same as the LK's, but Yogg's was done much better; you saw his corruption in Grizzly Hills, ZD, portions of Fjord and Tundra, and Dragonblight. Had Yogg been freed, he probably would have destroyed the Lich King the same way we destroy fleas; as you've been saying, the Old Gods are the largest threat out there.....but that's precisely why they aren't the end game bosses.
true his pressence was felt in northrend, but he and the lich king didnt really have anything to do with each other, besides the fact that they were on the same continent, yes at one point you hear something about the scourge muttering ol yoggys name, but you never personaly see it, the quest in the mines is the only time i can even remember the two being in proximity to each other (through their servants), and if they did have any kind of connection, its never adressed.
now if yogg had turned out to have had a real connection to him, like if he had been pulling arthas strings all along, like i think is the case with deathwing, then he could have been the end game boss
No, it was in Beta. Blizzard must have taken it out because it was ridiculously cheesy.
if they were removing stuff that looks cheezy they would have taken out alexstraza and DW standing there chucking balls of light at each other without moving like its really low budget dragon ball z or something.
but in all seriousness, even if it looked cheezy, that dosnt change the implications, they wouldnt have put it in there for no reason
Not really; the panel said 'Maybe' not 'Deathwing is a servant of the Old God N'zoth'
more on this story as it develops
Post by
Adamsm
Um, no, KT was the end of the Vanilla, and final enemy as the original Scourge invasion threatened the world and we had to stop him; yes only a small portion of the player base ever saw it, but it was still there.
i have to say i disagree with that, as there wasnt really an ongoing story in vanilla (to me), it felt more like day to day life in azeroth, with blizz introducing new raids that didnt really have anything to do with each other as time went on. the scourge in azeroth has been going on since WC3, it wasnt some new threat introduced in vanilla, and i beleive the launch of wow takes place 10 years after WC38 years. And I never said it was a 'new' threat, but it was the one that wrapped up the original storylines.
Did you do any of the quests involving the Saronite mines in Icecrown? Where the miners were driven insane by the whispering of Yogg, they had a Faceless one chained up, and the Scourge were mocking the Death God. Also, Yogg's influence was felt all across Northrend, same as the LK's, but Yogg's was done much better; you saw his corruption in Grizzly Hills, ZD, portions of Fjord and Tundra, and Dragonblight. Had Yogg been freed, he probably would have destroyed the Lich King the same way we destroy fleas; as you've been saying, the Old Gods are the largest threat out there.....but that's precisely why they aren't the end game bosses.
true his pressence was felt in northrend, but he and the lich king didnt really have anything to do with each other, besides the fact that they were on the same continent, yes at one point you hear something about the scourge muttering ol yoggys name, but you never personaly see it, the quest in the mines is the only time i can even remember the two being in proximity to each other (through their servants), and if they did have any kind of connection, its never adressed.
now if yogg had turned out to have had a real connection to him, like if he had been pulling arthas strings all along, like i think is the case with deathwing, then he could have been the end game bossBeyond the fact that pretty much all of the Scourge armour is made out of the Black Blood Of Yogg-Saron; you know, Saronite. And yes, below the Citadel, there were dozens of Faceless Ones, which had a few implications. And no, they didn't need that; seeing as the Lich King itself started in the Twisting Nether, and didn't need the tentacle of the Old God screwing with things.
No, it was in Beta. Blizzard must have taken it out because it was ridiculously cheesy.
if they were removing stuff that looks cheezy they would have taken out alexstraza and DW standing there chucking balls of light at each other without moving like its really low budget dragon ball z or something.
but in all seriousness, even if it looked cheezy, that dosnt change the implications, they wouldnt have put it in there for no reason Still better then random tentacles popping out of the body of the Destroyer.....Oh yes they would; look up the urban legends of Warcraft some time, there are a lot things in game that are there 'for no reason'.
Not really; the panel said 'Maybe' not 'Deathwing is a servant of the Old God N'zoth'
more on this story as it developsExactly, no proof at this point.
Also, over all: Blizzard has over done the 'Old Gods' are behind every single act of evil in Azeroth angle way too much; I'd much rather see Deathwing doing all of what he is going for his own purpose, not because something is whispering into his mind. I've been a little angry at Blizzard ever since one of the visions of madness from the Yogg fight showed the death of Llane at the hand of Garona....which couldn't have happened, as she never went near Northrend, and Yogg doesn't reach down in the Eastern Kingdoms.
Post by
xaratherus
that dosnt change the implications, they wouldnt have put it in there for no reason
Actually, it's very common for them to put things into the game that they later take out and never use. Examples: Old Ironforge, the high-end prison dungeon in Stormwind, the skeletal gryphon roost in Karazhan, many others.
Stories evolve. Personally, I expect to see an Old God in this expansion - but I'd be willing to bet my gold stash that it won't be the end game boss.
The Old Gods have repeatedly had their butts handed to them by player characters (sometimes with help from NPCs); they were originally driven off by the Titans; the dragon aspects wield a fragment of that power, and thus are likely more powerful than the Old Gods, so it doesn't really make sense for any Old God to be the 'big bad' above Deathwing.
Post by
Gone
Beyond the fact that pretty much all of the Scourge armour is made out of the Black Blood Of Yogg-Saron
EVERYTHING in northrend is made out of that &*!@, including half our armor, our repair bots, ect.
Oh yes they would; look up the urban legends of Warcraft some time, there are a lot things in game that are there 'for no reason'.
small things, this was a mjor sequence. plus they didnt remove deathwing saying "then witness my new gifts, bestowed on me by the true masters of this world" explain that
Exactly, no proof at this point.
its not like he would come out and give it away now. at this point all we can do is speculate
Also, over all: Blizzard has over done the 'Old Gods' are behind every single act of evil in Azeroth angle way too much; I'd much rather see Deathwing doing all of what he is going for his own purpose, not because something is whispering into his mind. I've been a little angry at Blizzard ever since one of the visions of madness from the Yogg fight showed the death of Llane at the hand of Garona....which couldn't have happened, as she never went near Northrend, and Yogg doesn't reach down in the Eastern Kingdoms.
well the thing is i agree with that, every act of evil you see in azeroth is connected to either the old gods or the burning legion. wich is exactly why i want to see an old god as the end game, so we can move on to something new, like how we kept seeing the scourge everywhere, now that wotlk is over and LK is dealt with we move on to new *!@#, but thus far the old gods do show up a lot, but they always kinda get outshone in the end
Post by
Gone
were originally driven off by the Titans; the dragon aspects wield a fragment of that power, and thus are likely more powerful than the Old Gods
i agree with a lot of what you said except that, deathwing himself isnt on teh same teir as the old gods, nevermind the regular aspects. the titans and the old gods are the most powerfull beings in azeroth, if they werent at least close to being equal they never would have been able to "battle" each other, it would just have been one side destroying the other. like i said before the old god C'thune killed a titan, but in doing so was reduced to near death himself. its kind of a play on greek mythology the gods and titans being the most powerfull being in the universe. its said in the war of the ancients trilogy that the 3 old gods pulling deathwings strings would be able to easily destroy sargeras, who is the most powerfull of all the titans, including the pantheon. so compared to those two groupes the aspects dont even compare
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TickleMeThrall
let's count them bro....
......so that makes 2/4ths I lol'ed
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