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Post by
xerae550
Just like any other thread like this, you are going to get biased answers and "the one that knows its class" answers.
In reality, do not pick one based on its damage output over another class, pick one based on if you like it or not.
If you really can't choose, flip a coin. Not because what side of the coin lands is your next class, but because you will decide while the coin is in the air.
Post by
pnkflffytutu
Another thing is that once you get one to 85 it will probably get nerfed making the other one better. Every class has its ups and downs.
Post by
Ippon
http://www.stateofdps.com
Moonkin by far.
Post by
soccergenius
http://www.stateofdps.com
Moonkin by far
.
Did you even LOOK at the numbers? Moonkin is on avg 600 dps ahead of elemental. 600. That's less than 3.5% ahead. Those are top players as well.
The correct answer,
for this raid tier,
is the one you play best.
Post by
Ippon
http://www.stateofdps.com
Moonkin by far
.
Did you even LOOK at the numbers? Moonkin is on avg 600 dps ahead of elemental. 600. That's less than 3.5% ahead. Those are top players as well.
The correct answer,
for this raid tier,
is the one you play best.
The median difference is 1500 DPS, and Druids are a much more versatile class. Choosing Shaman is 100% the wrong choice, empirically.
Post by
soccergenius
While I won't argue that balance numbers are higher,
Choosing Shaman is 100% the wrong choice, empirically.
is 100% stupid.
Post by
Ippon
Except it isn't.
Druids can fill all 4 roles, Shaman can only fill 3. Druid caster DPS is stronger, Melee specs are about equal, and Druid Resto is marginally better (though both are the weakest healers atm). Bear is obviously superior to a Shaman's inability to tank.
If you are trying to choose a class based on which is objectively better, Druid beats Shaman hands down. Numbers don't lie.
Edit: And you get Flight Form as a bonus, which is better than having to mount.
Post by
soccergenius
So everyone who can't fill 4 roles is out? Everyone with lower dps than balance is out?
You keep citing numbers, but those are top raiders worldwide. Mere mortals won't see numbers that high, and won't see that class distribution 9 times out of 10. Enhancement was not the #1 spec in ICC, but I was topping my guild's 25 dps until patch 4.0 left enhancement behind. FOTM is a stupid way to choose classes. Anyone is much better off playing a class they have fun with.
Shamans have the best PvE interrupt in the game, hands down.
Shamans have Bloodlust, druids don't.
Shamans have an offensive dispell, druids don't.
Shamans have a self rez, druids don't.
Druids' main CC, Entangling Roots, isn't effective vs casters. Cyclone is only 6 seconds.
Druids provide two buffs at a time. Shamans can give four at the same time.
Shamans have a tank pet they can use while dps'ing at the same time. Druids don't.
Post by
Ippon
So everyone who can't fill 4 roles is out? Everyone with lower dps than balance is out? He's asking which to choose, given the choice of Moonkin or Ele. If he liked one more, he'd pick that one. Since he didn't, he wants numbers, and druids win.
You keep citing numbers, but those are top raiders worldwide. Mere mortals won't see numbers that high, and won't see that class distribution 9 times out of 10. Enhancement was not the #1 spec in ICC, but I was topping my guild's 25 dps until patch 4.0 left enhancement behind. FOTM is a stupid way to choose classes. Anyone is much better off playing a class they have fun with.I
am
a top raider, and those are the numbers I see all the time. When played properly, those are the numbers you get. You topping meters in ICC just means the rest of your guild sucked. It doesn't say anything positive about Enh.
Shamans have the best PvE interrupt in the game, hands down.Depends on what you mean by "best". They have the fastest CD one, but it's generally more effective for Melee to do it since they don't have to break a cast to do so. And even Enh can't do it as effectively since it shares CD with DPS skills.
Shamans have Bloodlust, druids don't.This is true, but matters less now that Mages have it as well (and Hunters, technically, but only an idiot would be BM).
Shamans have an offensive dispell, druids don't.If this were a PvP thread, this would be a solid point. In PvE this doesn't generally matter.
Shamans have a self rez, druids don't.Good if you're a bad player. If you're a good player, BRez is superior.
Druids' main CC, Entangling Roots, isn't effective vs casters. Cyclone is only 6 seconds.Druids also have Hibernate. Shamans have better CC, definitely.
Druids provide two buffs at a time. Shamans can give four at the same time.Generally speaking, most groups have solid buff coverage regardless. This isn't nearly as meaningful as it was in TBC when everyone had unique buffs.
Shamans have a tank pet they can use while dps'ing at the same time. Druids don't.k? Earth Ele is occasionally useful.
Druids have Innervate, Tranquility, blah blah blah.
It's a stronger class atm, sorry.
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Post by
soccergenius
You keep citing numbers, but those are top raiders worldwide. Mere mortals won't see numbers that high, and won't see that class distribution 9 times out of 10. Enhancement was not the #1 spec in ICC, but I was topping my guild's 25 dps until patch 4.0 left enhancement behind. FOTM is a stupid way to choose classes. Anyone is much better off playing a class they have fun with.I
am
a top raider, and those are the numbers I see all the time. When played properly, those are the numbers you get. You topping meters in ICC just means the rest of your guild sucked. It doesn't say anything positive about Enh.
You missed my point entirely. BTW, a guild that went 12/12 H-ICC 10 and 11/12 H-CC 25 doesn't suck.
Post by
soccergenius
As of 0442 GMT, Jan 8, the median difference between between Balance and Elemental is 656 dps, since that's the category that Ippon wants to use, which brings me back to
While I won't argue that balance numbers are higher,
Choosing Shaman is 100% the wrong choice, empirically.
is 100% stupid.
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