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Minimum Tank Req's for Heroics (your opinion)
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wadefree85
In my opinion, if you have a 329 item level average in actual tanking gear and you know how to tank, you will be fine. If you inflated your item level average with pvp gear or dps/healing gear then you might have issues. Make sure you're hit/expertise capped or fairly close and make sure you're wearing plate tank gear.
Truthfully, with a decent healer and dps, you should even be fine tanking most heroics with slightly below 329 item level. Most people fail in heroics from not knowing mechanics and not avoiding the avoidable damage.
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sugarzombie
I'd like to hear what you guys think, particularly the healers. What is a good size (unbuffed) health pool for a tank to step into a heroic? For the tanks out there, what kind of avoidance should I be aiming for?
329 gs - - because if you stand in the wrong place or some boss spell doesn't get interrupted, you are supposed to die from it. if you can get away with ignoring the fight mechanics and just roflstomping the content, then you are over-geared.
avoidance: as much as you can get (for example, i made sure to gem and enchant my gear and reforge into as much mastery as i could). my total mitigation was only about 40% for my first heroic (scary, eh?). use cc on trash, use cooldowns on bosses. run normal-mode enough to know all the trash and boss abilities (then you only have to learn the 1 new mechanic added to each boss).
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Xuxa
If you are appropriately geared as a tank with an ilvl of 329, you will be fine.
Appropriately geared means
1. You are CURRENTLY wearing ilvl 329. The in game number shows highest level of gear. So, if you have a few 333 dps pieces for a specific slot, but only have 316 gear for that slot in your tank gear, the ilvl will still reflect that you have a 333 in that slot. Wierd, I know. You can find out what you are CURRENTLY wearing by armorying yourself, or getting an addon (I used inspectequip)
2. The gear you are actually using to tank is tank gear. With the disappearance of defense as a stat, many tanks think that a sta/str plate piece is a tank item. This is simply not the case. If the items you are wearing do not have dodge/parry on them, it is not a tank piece. I'd say that haste/mastery is pushing it, but acceptable. The exception to this is trinkets. In this level of content, your only concern is mitigation. Nothing in heroics is going to insta-kill you, so stam stacking isn't all that important. What is important is mitigating as much damage as possible, so the healer has to use less mana to keep you up. DPS gear simply does not supply that mitigation.
3. Gem/enchant - I know your cruddy gear isn't worth the money... but at least throw in some green gems and a cheap enchant or two. Try the AH, enchanters drop off their scrolls from leveling on the AH for dirt cheap.
If you are appropriately geared, read up on the fights a bit so you know what to avoid, key bind the lucky charms to your numpad, learn what classes can do what CC, take charge, and tank the crap out of some instances.
edit: oh, and one last thing. Trash in most of the instances is really hard, or really simple. When I heal them now, i just tell the tank to pull with little to no CC, because I have the healing throughput. But if you are just starting, CC every pull.
Post by
mudd
I would get a few more iLevels first to avoid people being a-holes and blaming you in dungeon finder. The gear is easily bought on the AH though, and with rep.
The difference with the heroics now is you have to be fairly strict with bad CCing. In Wotlk the DPS and healers cared solely about the the tank's health, but now the roles and responsibilities are evenly spread.
I know you didn't ask for tanking advice but in my experience really make sure people know they should be pulling via CC at the start of the dungeon, so if it breaks it's their responsibility. Then watch as the average guy fumbles to re-CC as they're being hit for 20k and you have to intervene.
A decent disc priest will make any gear issues go away anyway. Green stam gems, meta gem for the helm, enchantment for head/shoulders and 90 stamina food in every heroic is what I do, all pretty obvious.
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Timmeh
I'd say that anyone who can enter a heroic is fine, but ability comes into it. A good tank will use their stuns, interrupts, and especially cooldowns to great effect; pulling something that's definitely going to hit hard? A good tank will pull with their class equivalent of shield wall up from the very first hit, while a less good one will wait until they're practically dead, then mash it, which most of the time is already too late, especially if the healer's fairly new and not so well geared either. Intelligent use of cooldowns, good interrupting and good stunning, there's no reason a 329 tank can't get through just about anything. A few pulls'll be a bit hairy, certainly, but nothing unmanageable.
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Post by
NeoBlackheart
as people stated if you are 329 in tank gear your fine
my first heroic which went well had me at 329 with 1 dps shoulders I had around 50% avoidance/mitigation and I know how to use Cooldowns.
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goreblade
full 333 ilvl gear.
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Post by
freedfromthereal
Minimum? Know all of the fights and be capable of leading your group by marking targets you want CC'd.
I don't care how much health you have, or how much avoidance you have. If you're going to tank, I want you to know your stuff so that you make it easier on both the healer's mana and the DPS' job of CC'ing and killing your main target.
If not, go back to normals. You're wasting 120 minutes combined of the DPS' time, 5-10 minutes of my own, all because you didn't have the capacity to learn and/or do fights before you hit heroics.
Post by
biogoo
full 333 ilvl gear.
... is an optimal hc starting gear. Switch some 333s for earlier dungeon/quest 325s and add some reputation 346s and you are set.
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