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Post by
Loetek
http://www.wowhead.com/talent#jcG0bsrruszG0RZb:sRVz0Vz0m
Here it is.
If I were you I would get power auras addon and make auras to tell you to use Rune Tap when it is available and you are below 15% of your max health so your not wasting it.
I would also Macro Icebound Fortitude and Lichborne together with a /cast death coil at the end of it so your basically immune to everything and able to heal yourself to full. You should have plenty of Runic power build up before you should have to use this ability. Dont RP dump in PVP unless you are max health and have no runes available.
In Arenas you will see alot of mages now. As soon as you are in range of one Anti Magic shield yourself or you will be CCed and kited. Do not death grip a mage right off the bat. Chains him run up and beat down. Your shield should still be up so he wont be able to freeze you in place but he will blink away. If your good enough to Dark Sim him you may be able to blink with him and continue hitting him. if not just DG him back chains him and smack away. You can Macro your Chains to your DG to snare him so you can get a couple hits on him before he runs off. Get your Outbreak up on him to.
As far as other classes im going against i havent run into a big problem. Ive actually soloed a spriest and mage in a arena. Just time your CCs right. Pally heals and Warlock are OP though >.> but either one alone is meat.
You never have to worry about melee classes... if anything i use them for health batteries for when im killing the casters.
Also a good feral druid can be a pain as they self heal but keep beating on them and they will oom and die. Not much they can do to kill you with all the CDs you got just turns out to be a long fight. If you get lazy and watch tv while you pvp you may die.
Post by
minad
I have sayd this many times. Dont pvp blood talent. Go frost unholy. Blood is tank not pvp spec.
Post by
Loetek
Blood has many things going for it... No you wont "melt face" "omgpwnyou" but very viable. I smash unholy frost DKs. My arena partner (who is always dead) is constantly laughing as i smash your frost/unholy DKs. I gobble them up like babies.
Thats also like saying you cant pvp prot pally or warrior. Its all in knowing how to play... not what you play.
Post by
minad
Blood has many things going for it... No you wont "melt face" "omgpwnyou" but very viable. I smash unholy frost DKs. My arena partner (who is always dead) is constantly laughing as i smash your frost/unholy DKs. I gobble them up like babies.
Thats also like saying you cant pvp prot pally or warrior. Its all in know how to play... not what you play.
Tell your server and i own your face. What server? Im frost pvp.
And blood is bad spec for pvp. I kill them easy.
Post by
Loetek
Thunderlord
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Shnozberry
And your talking trash. No one kills a tank class easy. They may very well kill them. But never easy.
Then again i bet you're the guy that solos cata heriocs.
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Post by
Drunkenvalley
1) Keep up necrotic strike. Get rid of your blood runes immediately to turn them into death runes, this will be key later. This reminds me, can absorbed healing be re-absorbed back?
'cause, you know, any death knight has Necrotic Strike. Or to put it simple: Blood DKs use it too!
And I'm not trolling you. I am genuinely curious how that'd work out.
Post by
Loetek
Sorry you will not be hitting a blood do that hard with obliterate. If you do your lucky. I only have 140k health but still never get close to dieing. When pop my defenses I don't just take less damage I heal myself for 20k each time I death coil myself which only cost 20rp. And blood does have burst dps.
With 4 death runes and 2 blood.
Runic weapon. Outbreak gives 4 diseases. Heart strike till dead.
I've never been beat by a dk. I'm not talking trash just stating a fact. Sorry if you can't handle it.
The survivability of a blood dk is unreal. I beat a cata boss down by myself that was at 50% health. Id like to see a unholy or frost dk do this.
And necrotic strike is weak against a blood dk. That ability is ment for mages and warlocks to slow cast times while you focus attacks on the other Target. So I know your talking bs.
Post by
Drunkenvalley
And necrotic strike is weak against a blood dk. That ability is ment for mages and warlocks to slow cast times while you focus attacks on the other Target. So I know your talking bs. I know for a fact it's gold against any sort of casters and
healers
. :p
Whether self-healing or healing friends being irrelevant imo.
Post by
sfagias
And necrotic strike is weak against a blood dk. That ability is ment for mages and warlocks to slow cast times while you focus attacks on the other Target. So I know your talking bs.
Wait. What? Read the tooltip again plz. And face facts. The only reason you are good atm as Blood PvP is because most people are not geared for enough resilience.
The survivability of a blood dk is unreal. I beat a cata boss down by myself that was at 50% health. Id like to see a unholy or frost dk do this.
ehm.... well, they won't but that point is completely irrelevant, since blood is based on it's self healing. Let's say you actually did manage to do that, the fact that you did so was the DS heals and your mastery along with your cds (vamp blood, rune tap, etc).
Any frost/unholy DK you have encountered is a noob if you managed to beat him. Necrotic Strike will make it almost impossible to heal yourself. You can't hit as hard as frost or unholy, so what you are stuck with is your healthpool, which is actually not going to save you.
Post by
Drunkenvalley
Any frost/unholy DK you have encountered is a noob if you managed to beat him. Necrotic Strike will make it almost impossible to heal yourself. You can't hit as hard as frost or unholy, so what you are stuck with is your healthpool, which is actually not going to save you. As it's steaming ahead, that is not looking like the case.
In a battle between DKs, I see it as a big tug of war. The way DKs work seem to rather "negate each other" in interesting ways, if that makes sense.
Post by
Drunkenvalley
Personally, I'm having fun with
this
, by the way. I realize I don't have SoB, but in PvP I find that there are often "pauses" in combat where people manage to escape melee range regardless.
Thusly, during that pause I have a short time to refresh some runes anyway. So in the end I am very rarely resource-starved. I could try and figure out a more RP-heavy spec to spam Death Coil more, but.
PS: Yes, I know "Blood isn't viable", I'm just having fun with it. :)
Post by
Loetek
And necrotic strike is weak against a blood dk. That ability is ment for mages and warlocks to slow cast times while you focus attacks on the other Target. So I know your talking bs. I know for a fact it's gold against any sort of casters and
healers
. :p
Whether self-healing or healing friends being irrelevant imo.
You do realize it only negates about 5k healing... as a melee dps you have to get past his Self Damage shield. If you do that and manage to damage him. That 5k heal absorb is only going to stop about one third of what DS heals for. And Necrotic strike DOES NOT stack. It is a waste to use on this type of class. Its ment for mages or warlocks that cannot self heal but still have to cast. I have trashed mages this way. the 30% increased cast time is the ONLY thing worth while for that strike. Blood Death knights only have 1 channeled spell... Army.
Post by
Loetek
My obliterates as frost DW hit for 15k crits a piece, my Death Strikes as Blood 2H hit for 12-14k crits. That means that your hardest hitting strike hits for... half of frost's hardest hitting strikes, and that's IF YOU CRIT. Frost crits a whole lot more because of killing machine, so that high damage is consistent.
Yes you will hit twice as hard. So that first 1st weapon takes down my shield. 2nd weapon hurts me. So i end up with -14k health from full. I DS you. It reapplys Shield and heals me to full.. now you are sitting at -14k health from full. Lets keep doing this and see where it goes....
Post by
apocalypsa
Yes, a blood dk might win against a frost/unholy dk. DOH. Its a tank! However, frost mages will still kick your ass and you can keep on hitting a healer forever as his mp5>your damage. Anyone who gets some cc going will also easily beat you, as will any magical damage as lifeshield only works on physical. Your high parry and dodge wont do anything against that either. So the only people youll beat are melee classes, and probably not even frost dk's. HB ignores your shields. NS negates your selfheals. and your 7k DS's wont really be much of a problem either...
Face it, blood pvp is for owning rogues, warriors and bad dk's/paladins. Outside of that, blood dk's in rated bg and arenas are pretty much useless.
Post by
Loetek
Dk specs are pretty much ~ across the board, given equally skilled players. DK vs DK Blood will win more often because Unholy and Frost dps just in not good enough right now do to gear . Crit, Haste and Ap on our gear for out level sucks right now. Blood is potent due to talents not gear. As gear gets better so will uh and f dk dps making it harder for blood to keep up with the damage output. RIGHT NOW as far as one on one with any other class (except maybe mages) blood is the superior spec due to survivability. Yes they dont have the best dps or CC out of the other two trees but they are juggernauts and they still to good melee ranged dps. And you cant say they will get kited to easy because Unholy and frost can get kited just as easy against someone that knows what there doing.
Right now the old saying "slow and steady wins the race" really means something.
Post by
apocalypsa
Frost and unholy wont get kited as easily(chillblains, desecration, ghoulstun, HC), thats my entire point.
Also, they do semi-decent damage at range(Howling Blast, DC spam + Ghoul).
It is true that blood's damage is quite okay, because the difference between low tanking and dps gear isnt much. But its still not good enough to be worthwile. Not worthless, though, and with skill it can be made to work, I think. But frost and unholy are better off.
Post by
Loetek
frost mages will still kick your ass and you can keep on hitting a healer forever as his mp5>your damage.
I completely agree. But show me one class that isnt weak against another type class. Blood is great againts ALL melee class. Paper Rock Scissors.
Anyone who gets some cc going will also easily beat you
I dont understand. Do people just think once you enter blood presence you lose your ability to use any CCs of your own? Or to you Antimagic shield? Or Lichborne (For AMAZING self heals)? Or a Blood DK Impoved Icebound Fortitude? Or any other strike that can impair another class... unreal. Its like hard core haters around here.
HB ignores your shields.
Yes and it also hits for a big fat 6k damage unless it crits. Hardly touching my 140k health pool... but whatever.
NS negates your selfheals
Negates about 7k worth of self healing. And the damage from that strike wont even make it through the damage shield thats already in place. Ive already said this before. if you use that strike you are only using about two thirds of that strike potential since Dks dont "cast".
7k DS's wont really be much of a problem either...
You may want to do more research on that. DS gets a +9% crit ontop of your crit. I Crit ALOT with it. And it only hits slightly less that Obliterate does. Im not sure where you get 7k... none of my non-crits hit low.
Face it, blood pvp is for owning rogues, warriors and bad dk's/paladins. Outside of that, gtfo and reroll something useful
So how do you explain me killing mages spriest shamen warlock (and i swear to god im not just talking s&^t)? I am always getting "ganked" by allie... they never win. Not unless there is about 3 of them. And then still I always kill at least one before i die because gankers dont usually roll with a dedicated healer. While questing I will walk into a group of allie anywhere now even though i know they will try to kill me once. Then after they corps run and i ignore them and go on my way they dont even bother attacking me. I seriously need to start recording my game play so i can show you nonbelievers or hardcore morons whats up.
Post by
Loetek
Frost and unholy wont get kited as easily(chillblains, desecration, ghoulstun, HC), thats my entire point.
Also, they do semi-decent damage at range(Howling Blast, DC spam + Ghoul).
It is true that blood's damage is quite okay, because the difference between low tanking and dps gear isnt much. But its still not good enough to be worthwile. Not worthless, though, and with skill it can be made to work, I think. But frost and unholy are better off.
Your right Blood DKs cant frost touch or death coil. They cant spec into Desecration. They cant summon a ghoul.
You all remind me of that kid that claims to know martial arts. but when he wants to show you "a move" he says "no you have to hold your hands out like this".
If Blood Dks did no dps had no CCs they would not be able to tank in pve. I dont understand your mentality.
Do you really think we only have Death Strike? is that it?
Post by
Drunkenvalley
What I am curious of is where people get "Blood doesn't scale and will lose effectiveness" from.
Some say resilience, but how does that work? Could anyone please elaborate on these things in a very hands-on manner, as opposed to the "lolno" attitudes we're having around here? Or direct me to a source that does so?
Simply saying "they'll be better geared" is extremely non-descript, since Blood DKs too will get better gear as they go. >>;
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