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Thror
clueless funny things.
Are you talking to
me
, about
other classes
? Nice try chap. Read this thread, or Go Try French Opera instead.
Ah, are you the endless bank of all class knowledge? Must have missed that earlier in the thread.
Endless well? No. But i have tanked hundreds of instances, and even more trash packs with every single tanking class, and i am a rather skilled WoW player. So crap like
Its seeming to me that someone is QQing about having their AOE tanking leveled with other classes.
is something i discard instantly. Your post was a clueless, arrogant provocation. You accuse me of QQing, while you can not tell the difference between QQ and a viable complaint. You suspect that i did not think this through and through, before i started "QQing". It took me three days of ingame testing and comparing, to start making posts about how Swipe is broken, and i still am "crash testing" the new Swipe daily. You posted a "first impression" in a discussion that already went deeper than that.
You do not like anecdotal evidence? I suppose if you were a game designer, you would discard the Play Testing stage altogether, right? Actual in game experience is much more important than simulations and calculations done
outside of the game
. And if you want a little theorycraft, sure, here you go.
Swipe hit for ~800 damage in ICC 25 on the first wave of Bonegrinders. Crits went up to 1600 damage. It has a 200% threat modifier. It has a 6 second cooldown. There are 5 Bonegrinders. A global cooldown is 1.5 second long.
A Howling Blast hits for 5000 damage, and can be used three times in three consecutive global cooldowns. Mind you, that 5000 damage is grossly underestimated, not considering high-end gear, and not a crit. Even then, calculations say you
will not
hold threat.
Both numbers and experience say that holding threat with the current Swipe (and lulz Maul) is simply not possible.
Mind you, we are only discussing a single layer of the problem here. There are others, like tanking at levels 15-79 compared to the other classes.
Do i see swipe recovering some of its damage Coefficient? Probably but id be surprised if it returned to where it was. Not only for tank leveling purposes but i distinctly remember a GC post talking about how the AE tanking paradigm was changing. Although considering how long it took me to remember i posted here it might take me a few to dig it up.
I know which blue post are you talking about, and i have already mentioned these a couple pages ago. There has not been a blue post about tanking for the last year that i have missed (i base this statement on the facts that i check blue posts on a daily basis and particularly focus on tanking posts, and that noone has ever brought up a quote that i have not seen already).
Actually, there has never been any mention of nerfing tank AoE into the ground. Nothing they have done with the talents has indicated that. They want to make huge AoE tanking not desirable, and CCing more desirable, not because tanks would not
be able to hold the threat
, but because tanks
would die
.
Also, yeah, spending 17 global cooldowns to kill four level 80 non elite Rhinos while being geared in full T10 is hell of a lot of fun. Wait no, it is not. I'd prefer my class to be fun.
...
Last thing, i do not say i want Swipe to return to the state of 4.0.3. I believe a decrease in damage was justified, for it did ridiculous damage. All i want is some sort of a reply from an actual dev. It is quite a situation they got themselves into. Patch notes stating 37% reduction, and ingame being an 80~90% reduction. Whether the patch notes were incorrect or the damage was a bug, Blizzard has @#$%ed something up. And i am stating this again and again on the forums, because i want them to notice. Seriously, they gave Gamon a Zul'Gurub axe and new skills in a goddamn hotfix.
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LookOut
Thorns actually do twice the damage than Swipe does, even though i have 0 spellpower items in my tanking set. I recommend using Glyph of thorns... i mean, what other Major glyphs to use on a tank anyway. Frenzied Regen, check. Maul, check. And then...? Feral Charge is HORRIBLE.
I'm using the FF glyph, but that's for raids, not 5mans. Pulling from 10 yards further is pretty neat, and also nice for Valithria-esque fights.
I'll probably buy the thorns glyph when Cata comes ...
... but i distinctly remember a GC post talking about how the AE tanking paradigm was changing. Although considering how long it took me to remember i posted here it might take me a few to dig it up.
Yeah, because they TOTALLY did that to every single tanking class! O WAIT! They didn't.
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/popcorn
And also, to be fair, Thror, he said "bank" not "well". Props to Aronite for fighting back in a composed way and not just because s/he said s/he agreed with me
:)
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And also, to be fair, Thror, he said "bank" not "well". Props to Aronite for fighting back in a composed way and not just because s/he said s/he agreed with me
:)
.
In my language, we use the phrase "endless well of knowledge", lawl. I totally did not notice he actually said "bank" though.
WTF. When did Thor change his name to Thror?
It is very common that people do not notice the first R in my name.
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Shadax
I ve been really curious about one thing
Does anyone know if lvl1 critters have armor or any kind of dmg reduction?
Toolbar says that my swipe hits for 1002 dmg
I swiped a
lvl1 critter
and i hit it for 834 dmg
Either toolbar is wrong or critters have some kind of damage reduction :O
Before you get all disturbed by the fact that you're not hitting as hard as your tooltip says for one single test, make sure that you understand that tooltips are now displaying the average damage/healing of an ability. There is an option in the menus to have them display the range like they used to pre-4.0.x, or you can spend several hours using swipe on an assortment of critters and get at least 100 swipe hits of data and then compare them all. Once you have all that data, then you can look at the average damage reduction below the intended damage and assess whether there appears to be some degree of armor or not.
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pelf
Yeah it's always been Thror. LOL @ you translating in your head ... even the idioms. That's awesome. What's the phrase in your language?
(yeah, but it's only a mini-derail)
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wuphonsreach
What I don't understand is why don't we get any Blue posts about this. MMO had a post about druid bug fixes like rake and stuff, but no bear. Nothing. Nada. Zip. Sh1te.
Which generally means "we don't know what we're going to do yet, or whether we're just going to nerf the other tanks down to the same level".
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