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Monday
I wouldn't agree there; the King was a Demi-God at most after all, and Deathwing is an Aspect, and the one who could literally control the Earth(as proven by what happens with Cata).
Not really relevant. The King could control death itself after all.
They've both done evil, but I still say, the 10 thousand years of terror caused by Deathwing(his name was equal to terror for a lot of things) does eclipse the 10 years of the Lich King(with only about 4 years at most being done by the King himself).
'tis true, but I still see Arthas as darker. Deathwing has had 10,000 years to strum up everything he's done, and in the last little while he's become less an issue than Arthas. I see Arthas, if he existed for 10,000 years, have a higher capacity to be evil.
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Adamsm
Not really relevant. The King could control death itself after all.Meh, and people were getting around it; burning the bodies of the fallen to keep him gaining new recruits. And while he could 'control' death...so could the Necromancers that both worked for him, and those who didn't; the Necromancer of the Legion, that taught Ner'zhul the King the magic at first.
I see Arthas, if he existed for 10,000 years, have a higher capacity to be evil.And I don't; he reached his peak, and would have more then likely remained at it; Ner'zhul, once he 'had' Arthas, didn't care, and Arthas himself just wanted a dead world, with no living. Sure he corrupted some things but his over all goal was still the same; to reduce it so that all that lived didn't.
Deathwing and his plans are just more interesting then what the Lich King was up to....and of course, the fact that the Retcon came into play, completely undoing all the 'reason' for the evil of the King....
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Monday
Interesting =/= evil.
Arthas wanted to kill the world. Seems more evil to me than taking it for oneself.
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Adamsm
Interesting =/= evil.
Arthas wanted to kill the world. Seems more evil to me than taking it for oneself.
Taking it for oneself, then turning all other races into servants, slaves, and food; the world under Deathwing would be a hell if your not a member of the Black or Twilight flight...and even those servants would end up on the menu eventually.
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Monday
Interesting =/= evil.
Arthas wanted to kill the world. Seems more evil to me than taking it for oneself.
Taking it for oneself, then turning all other races into servants, slaves, and food; the world under Deathwing would be a hell if your not a member of the Black or Twilight flight...and even those servants would end up on the menu eventually.
'tis true. But you'd still be alive, and most would probably perish before giving the world to the Black Flight.
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Adamsm
'tis true. But you'd still be alive, and most would probably perish before giving the world to the Black Flight.
Would rather die fighting the Blacks then standing around stupidly for all eternity with my brain hanging out....and it's the same for the Scourge; they'd rather die then just hand over the world.
But in pure power, the Lich King is the weakest of the 'true' threats right now; the Old Gods are the strongest, then Deathwing and Azshara below them, and the King below them, with Illidan and his forces being less of a threat(Arthas, without the armour of the Damned, kicked the living @#$% out of Emo-King after all)...of course, Kael was a bigger 'real' threat then 'evil' Illidan, and that was before he 'joined' the Legion.
Had it ever come down to a one on one fight between Arthas and Deathwing or Azshara.....well, let's just say there probably would have been a melted pile of armour where he had been standing.
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Monday
Yes, but what I keep saying throughout this entire thread.
Power =/= evil. It's like Padan Fain being more evil than the Forsaken.
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Adamsm
And I don't see the Lich King's 'evil' as being more then Deathwing's; sure he razed 2 countries and killed his own kingdom...and Deathwing upped that with just the Cataclysm, changing the entire face of Azeroth itself in one simple move.
As said earlier in the thread:
And yes Deathwing has: for 10 thousand years, he kept the other Dragon flights out of the affairs of Mortals. He also slaughtered nearly the entire Blue flight(saved by time travel), and his flight's war against the fleeing Blues was responsible for Crystalsong forest, set up the Queen of Life to be the slave of the Dark Horde, had a hand in the destruction of Draenor, stole a few hundred red flight eggs, was responsible for the Netherwing flight and the Twilights, his brood caused immense damage and destruction across the Eastern Kingdoms.The stuff Deathwing has done just seems to be worse then what Lich King has done....but again, that's due to the time(again though, even if the Lich King had the same time period as Deathwing, don't see him equaling it).
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Monday
The Cataclysm wasn't an act of malice (well, most of it anyways). It was unintentional.
I still see him as a more evil person, and as DW as a deluded one.
/shrug
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Adamsm
Heh, little bit of irony there; Arthas was far more deluded then Deathwing ever was...of course, they were both manipulated by 'greater' forces, Ner'zhul for Arthas, and the Three for Deathwing....and until recently, only one actually remained under the control(really hoping it's a screw you moment for the Old Gods at the end of Cata).
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KingdomKnight
Wasn't there another thread like this before? Deathwing is insane and I doubt he has any remorse. Conversely the Lich King will always have a 'human' aspect to him that holds him back. As far as terms of power goes I would think the cataclysm speaks for itself. But if not then I'd think of it like this; The same beings who have Azshara, the most powerful mage on Azeroth, under their thumb, also chose Deathwing to serve them. I shudder to think what Azshara has lying in store for us after all this time though..
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Adamsm
Okay, after reading all of this, I see a parody, LK can control Death, right? But if DW is the aspect of death, could LK use DW as a puppet, per-say? Just pointing out the logical paradox here.
Deathwing is not the Aspect of Death, he's still the Aspect of Earth...hence the reason why Azeroth was quaking while he was getting the new plates put on his body; the world was screaming in pain along with him....which has a deadly possible reaction to when he finally 'dies', he could end up destroying the planet, and taking all of us with him when he goes.
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Monday
Okay, after reading all of this, I see a parody, LK can control Death, right? But if DW is the aspect of death, could LK use DW as a puppet, per-say? Just pointing out the logical paradox here.
Deathwing is not the Aspect of Death, he's still the Aspect of Earth...hence the reason why Azeroth was quaking while he was getting the new plates put on his body; the world was screaming in pain along with him....which has a deadly possible reaction to when he finally 'dies', he could end up destroying the planet, and taking all of us with him when he goes.
I doubt it. We killed the Aspect of Magic, and we have magic still, don't we?
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Adamsm
Okay, after reading all of this, I see a parody, LK can control Death, right? But if DW is the aspect of death, could LK use DW as a puppet, per-say? Just pointing out the logical paradox here.
Deathwing is not the Aspect of Death, he's still the Aspect of Earth...hence the reason why Azeroth was quaking while he was getting the new plates put on his body; the world was screaming in pain along with him....which has a deadly possible reaction to when he finally 'dies', he could end up destroying the planet, and taking all of us with him when he goes.
I doubt it. We killed the Aspect of Magic, and we have magic still, don't we?
And if Malygos actually thought he was going to die, he could have triggered all of that magic stored in the Eye to go ka-boom.....and that probably would have caused a second Sundering, tearing apart Northrend, and shredding a lot of the northern part of Azeroth. Maly was also 'sane'; Deathwing...not so much: If he decides the World shouldn't live on past his own death, could easily see him triggering earthquakes all across the world that would tear the world apart.
And all the shamans in the World probably couldn't stop it heh.
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Monday
DW can just randomly cause Earthquakes? Why didn't he when he was fighting Rhonin?
I just don't think that he has that much power. Otherwise Alexstrasza could have just waved her hand and killed DW, because he's alive and she is the guardian of Life.
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Adamsm
DW can just randomly cause Earthquakes? Why didn't he when he was fighting Rhonin?
I just don't think that he has that much power. Otherwise Alexstrasza could have just waved her hand and killed DW, because he's alive and she is the guardian of Life.
The Earthquakes in game have been the planet responding to the pain he's been experiencing while they bolted that new armour on his body. He is the Earth Warder, the Aspect of the Earth, and tied into the world; that's one of the reasons why he could drag Deepholme up. As for why he didn't just open the earth up under Rhonin, didn't think he was worth probably, plus, contrary to what some books/tv shows show....using an earth quake against someone is a silly tactic, if your not near the fault line, all you do is make stuff shake, and if there's buildings/roads what have you, you can cause damage to them.
And no; Alexstraza is the Aspect of Life; probably using her power like that would be against her own code. She's willing to kill up close and personal, but doubt she can just point at something and say 'Die'. The only aspect that can do that is Nozdormu, especially now that he's back to full power. And of course, that was the other thing: When they fought him during Day of the Dragon, even though Deathwing was weakened by the destruction of the Soul, so were the other Aspects, they weren't at full power.
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Monday
The Earthquakes in game have been the planet responding to the pain he's been experiencing while they bolted that new armour on his body. He is the Earth Warder, the Aspect of the Earth, and tied into the world; that's one of the reasons why he could drag Deepholme up.
Yes, but during that period he was
in
Deepholme, slamming against the walls and breaking the World Pillar.
And no; Alexstraza is the Aspect of Life; probably using her power like that would be against her own code. She's willing to kill up close and personal, but doubt she can just point at something and say 'Die'.
She incinerated the Dragonmaw Clan, for less provocation than what Deathwing has done.
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