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Human trinket racial nerf.
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cloudp
My point was only about double PvE trinkets; not full PvE gear.
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cloudp
an intelligent person would realize that I was referring to premade vs premades
LMFAO. please, please, i beg you to find me some stats off the percentage that a full premade (by random) runs into another full premade. that is by far the weakest argument ive heard you use yet. I'm guessing its probably about .02 percent. not 2%, .02 percent. Therefore, we have no testing ground (evidence) for how the emfh will affect cata rated bgs.
Hm... I disagree there. Rated BGs will obviously make those 0.2% much, much, much, much higher - in fact, I imagine 2000+ ratings will actually be more about premades than PuGs (If PuGs even reach those ratings, especially on smaller BGs))
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TheMediator
Anyone saying it isn't a big deal doesn't know what they're talking about. Humans essentially have no triggered racial effect now. The only way this could possibly be balanced in PVP is if every other racial ability was made unable to be used in PvP. You can't be competitive in serious high end PvP without having the 2 minute CC breaking effect, and the medallion completely overrides your triggered racial.
If you don't get that, you are dumb.
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The only bad racial was Gift of the Naaru, and now Every Man for Himself falls into the same category. And while I won't say you can't be competitive with Draenei or, now a human, you were at a disadvantage, and when it comes to higher end of the spectrum, sometimes having that disadvantage will totally screw you over when you factor in certain other disadvantages, like fighting a setup that counters yours.
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LMFAO. please, please, i beg you to find me some stats off the percentage that a full premade (by random) runs into another full premade. that is by far the weakest argument ive heard you use yet. I'm guessing its probably about .02 percent. not 2%, .02 percent. Therefore, we have no testing ground (evidence) for how the emfh will affect cata rated bgs. LMFAO. please, please, i beg you to show me support for your findings
the fact of the matter is you don't run premades and you are speaking on a subject you are clearly not very knowledgeable in
first off, premades are commonly setup between rival guilds, there is nothing new about that
secondly, the battleground queueing system will actively try and queue premades against other premades of the same or similar size, furthermore it will match those groups based on average gearscore as well
thirdly, the percent you pulled out of your as does nothing to retort my point, the fact stands: premades vs premades, which follow the same dynamics that rated battlegrounds will, exist. Likewise, only 2% of arenas are at the level on which the dynamics of competitive arenaing are truly present.The dynamics of arenas aren't influenced by the clusterf*ck that is -1800
we can only make projections(guesses) about the emfh change in regards to cata. all "opinions(guesses)" should be noted as such. it goes without saying, the majority of the discussions in this thread are about a cataclysm change
quit trying to belittle the argument as it stands, its very obvious and kinda sad
counterpoint(goshad): Its pretty obvious why you keep removing the reasoning I didnt have when you summarize my argument
counterpoint(me): where is your counterpoint? that wasn't a counter point to that argument, you missed the context
I didn't originally respond to it for the reason I later stated (whether you dodged it or didn't get the context ) because It was moot point, I didn't honestly think you would persue it, but you surprise me every now and again
counterpoint(goshad): the support is still there dood! you just don't understand the argument! bla bla bla context!
dood! f*cking hypocrisy
why/how are you able to make the claim except that extremely elite players won't be dropping their double PvE trinkets for a medallion again? remember that this sweeping statement includes both cata arena, and cata bgs.they aren't doing it nowtop tier players are constantly staying on top of their game regardless of disciple and the duration or unimportance of time that the changes will pertinent, they are still playing, and they are still playing against other players doing the sameif you need more support, look at all the semi-competitive, average, and bad human pvpers who immediately went and picked up a medallion (because they over inflate the importance of the CD, as apparent in this thread)seriously, this is getting sad
I understand why human PVPers are complaining about the EMfH nerf. You see, it's not just adding a minute to the CD and thus forcing them to use a PVP trinket instead. The problem is that by forcing them to use a PVP trinket, it ensures that you
never use the racial at all
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In other words, they didn't nerf the racial; they actually removed it entirely.Future posters please read this before posting. It amazes me how some people don't understand this yet.because there are and have been for awhile standing arguments made against it, perhaps you and the others should be the ones spending some time reading before posting in this thread
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cloudp
It seems my concept was incredibly confuse; it seemed quite clear to me.
Clearly, your point about situational - you haven't read my posts a hundred percent. I said more than once: In a specific context (Arena Match),
changing the variables in the game
, if there isn't a single situation a racial has some sort of use, than it can't apply to all situations. In your explanation, we simply make that ret stun once and your argument makes no sense. If your opponent was a mage and you had Will of the Forsaken, you could change all variables from spamming frostbolt to using each of his spells once - WotF was utterly useless. Thus, situational. (That's ignoring the fact that you wouldn't exactly need much to down a Ret that doesn't stun...)
Perhaps, I can concede the fact that some racials are more situational than others (Though I disagree with that, pure semantics force me to concede it), but no racial is as ever-present as EMFH.
Using your own logic I could consider Gift of the Naaru and Stoneform useless if you didn't take damage, Arc.Torrent useless if the target never did a cast, Shadowmeld if he never casted at you. You see, it's not really something with practical use, is it? we have to consider full usage of a classe's abilities when comparing. Under such circumstances, EMFH is never useless.
I agree with the rated BG and Medallion's importance being less crucial than what it is in arenas, much due to idle time and unhealable zergs. However, Got nailed the problem - no other racial can be made useless by equipping a piece of gear. The racial's design is not a good one, IMO.
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