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Post by
Milayu
You are an angry person.
Much anger there is in him
.
Much anger I sense in you.
He mad
It's always fun to see you guys going at it. I like how off-topic you got for a page and a half too.
Post by
Monday
You are an angry person.
Much anger there is in him
.
Much anger I sense in you.
I think that line was "much
fear
I sense in you" but I could just have my Yoda's mixed up.
It is much fear, but I felt that it could be modified =D
Post by
Hyperspacerebel
I think that line was "much
fear
I sense in you" but I could just have
my Yoda
's mixed up.
Fix'd
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Post by
kattib
Agnostic: relates to knowledge
Atheist: Relates to belief
Agnostic Atheist (weak atheist): Does not believe in god but does not claim knowledge/evidence that god doesnt exist
Gnostic Atheist (strong athesit): Does not believe in god and claims to know/have evidence
Agnostic Theist: Believes in god but doesnt claim to have evidence/knowledge
Gnostic Theist: Believes in god and claims to know for sure/have evidence
I am a weak atheist, I dont believe in god but cant know for sure
There is no such thing as just an agnostic, what are you agnostic about, pancakes?
Post by
Hyperspacerebel
Agnostic: relates to knowledge
Atheist: Relates to belief
Agnostic Atheist (weak atheist): Does not believe in god but does not claim knowledge/evidence that god doesnt exist
Gnostic Atheist (strong athesit): Does not believe in god and claims to know/have evidence
Agnostic Theist: Believes in god but doesnt claim to have evidence/knowledge
Gnostic Theist: Believes in god and claims to know for sure/have evidence
I am a weak atheist, I dont believe in god but cant know for sure
There is no such thing as just an agnostic, what are you agnostic about, pancakes?
Although your point is valid, gnosticism is something completely different from how you're trying to use it.
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269791
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Post by
Hyperspacerebel
This topic is rather.. very familiar to me, rather recent too. The other day at work. We were moving stuff from one store to another. The store manager bought us all subs and JUST as I was unwrapping mine and preparing to take a big bite. Someone from a different store decided they were going to lead us in prayer. I felt so... baffled and awkward and confused. I'm not a five year old. I am 25. I didn't want to complain or say anything but its like.. not even going to ask if everyone was Christian first? I have no problem calling Christmas what it is - Christmas. I have no qualms with the pledge of allegiance as it is. It doesn't even specify what god. It could be ANY god really. But my point is. I felt incredibly alienated and excluded in my own place of employment and even more awkward as I was the only one peering around unblinkingly until everyone went "amen". Technically, by the companies very policy I could have reported her for that, but would I? No. It was just going to be the one time. I can deal with once in a while someone wanting me to pray. I wont, but I'll still utter "Amen" at the end so as not to be ridiculed even if I was too baffled they were doing one in the first place to really hear it beyond, "In Christs name we pray...". I wouldn't have even noticed if she hung her head to pray to herself or anyone else did for that matter. Nor would I have cared one iota.
It was only awkward because you made it awkward. If you have no problem with other people's right to believe what they want and you are sure of your own beliefs, then there should be no awkwardness.
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269791
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Post by
Hyperspacerebel
How would you feel if someone tried to lead YOU in a Jewish/Muslim/anything not what you believe prayer at your job?
Depending on what prayer specifically it was, I would either join in, wait respecfully for them to finish, or just continue doing whatever I was doing.
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269791
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Post by
Hyperspacerebel
Ever happen though? ;D
Oh, all the time. I have friends who practice every religion under the sun.
And I do it to people all the time. If I'm talking to someone at say a fast food restaurant, I'll have them give me a second to say grace. If they feel awkward, that's their problem, not mine.
Post by
Skreeran
Agreed, they aren't close. AT ALL. I'm Agnostic too. I believe there IS a higher power just that humans can't possibly grasp exactly what that is and that no religions at present seem to "sit right" with me.That's called Deism, not Agnosticism.
I wont, but I'll still utter "Amen" at the end so as not to be ridiculed even if I was too baffled they were doing one in the first place to really hear it beyond, "In Christs name we pray...".That seems cowardly to me. You're just helping along the Christian majority. By just going along with it, you're reinforcing the belief that they can do anything they want because they're the biggest religion, because... hey, everyone's Christian, aren't they? (Incidentally, I have nothing against Christianity in particular, besides the fact that it's the majority. If I lived in, say, Egypt, I'd be complaining a lot more about Islam... assuming I wasn't dead already.)
To complain privately about being led in prayer, but remaining silent when it occurs is a cowardly in my opinion. I don't mean to insult you personally, but it seems to me that you are part of the problem.
Back on topic though; Honestly. Doesn't bother me a bit. No different from cosmetic surgery and that seems rather widely acceptable. *shrug* If you aren't happy and that's what makes you happy - go be happy. I couldn't care less what a stranger does to their body. If it was a loved one though. I'd at least make sure they knew the risks first. Surgery, at all, is risky. The results as well aren't exactly "perfect". If they knew it all and still wanted it though? I'd be there for them with flowers for when they come to. :)Well, I agree with you on this at least.
Post by
Heckler
That's called Deism, not Agnosticism.
Another important aspect of Deism (at least as far as I've learned it) is that they don't think God comes down to help people get girlfriends, win baseball games, or any real-time interaction with reality. Miracles, Prophecy, Divine Intervention... unnecessary. It's not that they disbelieve in His power to do these things -- they simply believe that He doesn't, and it is never necessary to
assume
He did (and also that all assumptions that He did can actually be explained by reason). This is rooted in the belief that rational thinking, reason, and observation are sufficient to explain the natural world. To quote Paine, "the Creation we behold is the real and ever existing word of God."
The Age of Reason
by Thomas Paine is basically a pamphlet on Deism (although I don't believe this was Paine's intention, it is written more as an explanation of Paine's own beliefs). It's worth reading (it's free, full text is at the link), or at least skimming. It was written in the late 1700's, so the English can be a bit hard to follow sometimes. A few excerpts to spark interest:
I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Turkish church, by the Protestant church, nor by any church that I know of. My own mind is my own church.
All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian, or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit.
I do not mean by this declaration to condemn those who believe otherwise; they have the same right to their belief as I have to mine. But it is necessary to the happiness of man, that he be mentally faithful to himself. Infidelity does not consist in believing, or in disbelieving; it consists in professing to believe what he does not believe.
EVERY national church or religion has established itself by pretending some special mission from God, communicated to certain individuals. The Jews have their Moses; the Christians their Jesus Christ, their apostles and saints; and the Turks their Mahomet; as if the way to God was not open to every man alike.
Each of those churches shows certain books, which they call revelation, or the Word of God. The Jews say that their Word of God was given by God to Moses face to face; the Christians say, that their Word of God came by divine inspiration; and the Turks say, that their Word of God (the Koran) was brought by an angel from heaven. Each of those churches accuses the other of unbelief; and, for my own part, I disbelieve them all.
I trouble not myself about the manner of future existence. I content myself with believing, even to positive conviction, that the power that gave me existence is able to continue it, in any form and manner he pleases, either with or without this body; and it appears more probable to me that I shall continue to exist hereafter than that I should have had existence, as I now have, before that existence began.
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