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Post by
Cambo
Haiku competition is not PR.
+1 Gnub.
Post by
wolfeyoung
@Aestu
Why do you play a game and then become angry if that company advertises their game. You played it because of advertising, either through word-of-mouth, saw the game in the store, read about in a magazine or whatever. However, you heard about WoW was due to advertising.
As far as Blizzard using this method. I can only guess, but I'd say it was to get a certain type of person to play the beta and give feedback on the beta. Blizzard wants be play the game and then report it. Maybe they figured those smart enough to come up with a good WoW-haiku, might be the type to give intelligent reports in a beta. I don't know, but it has a certain logic to it.
Post by
SirPunky
@Aestu
Why do you play a game and then become angry
This is why he is angry
Post by
Adamsm
@Aestu
Why do you play a game and then become angry
This is why he is angry
It's more then just one topic in his case.
Post by
Tya1
Lets look at it a different way. Blizzard wants to generate PR/talk/attention to their upcoming product. It's a company, and any good producer is not going to lie back and say: pff, our product is so good, it will sell itself. No, they want talk about it. Talk generates attention, etc etc. Basic marketing, anybody above the age of boh....4 these days, can figure that one out.
So, what does Blizzard do to satisfy the other websites they are affiliated with: they give them beta keys. That way they are hoping the website is going to generate some more attention to their upcoming product.
Wowhead accepts these keys in good grace and then says: what can we do with this? We have ofcourse a very good running website, but due to the nature of internet fora's etc, if we could generate higher traffic through our site, we could up the advertisement prices. Now...we could quitely pick out 50 names, hope that 5% of that posts a post that says: thank you Wowhead for my betakey, but that isn't going to do anything for us.
So....lets make a competion. For everybody. And lets do something...hmm....different?
Ofc. In the end, with the insane amounts of haikus being sent in, they could just as well had picked those 50 randoms. But as I pointed out in an earlier tread, every company does it this way, so soit, who cares in the end. (Dunno who said it, but I did read this quote somewhere that complaining is inbred in human nature, so naturally ppl are whining that THEIR great haiku was not picked. Yes. Sorry. Pray the great /roll of Blizzard will favor you, so you can play the same character twice up to 85.)
In the end, it was a great advertisement tool for both Wowhead and Blizzard and I have no doubts lots of people had fun creating haikus, and perhaps hey, even somebody had so much fun he´s going to make more haikus.
PR/marketing/directed information is part of every day life. Never turn on the television, internet, go with public transport, read a book, play a game if you are upset about that.
And there is a difference between being pessimistic or being upset that the world is not created after your world model. That is called ego.
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Post by
xaratherus
Because the lame haiku thing is trite and saccharine, and amounts to nothing more than an effort on Blizzard's part to promote a product that, increasingly, doesn't promote itself
The product that promotes itself hasn't been invented. That's why billions of dollars every year are spent on advertising.
As for it being "trite and saccharine", thanks for your opinion; that and $4.50 will get you a coffee at Starbucks.
After all, Wowhead only has the authority to distribute the beta keys for the contest because of an agreement made for this purpose with Blizzard.
I'd be willing to bet you that the beta keys were given to Wowhead to distribute, and that the means of distribution were left up to Wowhead (with some possible restrictions, such as "must be a contest of some sort").
If players are inclined to engage in creative expressions of fan art, they shouldn't need a sponsored competition to do so
In the same vein, offering people a reward for creativity is in no way the crime you make it out to be.
As an example: Robert Heinlein, the 'Dean' of science fiction, started his career by entering a competition with a science fiction magazine. Had that magazine never run that competition, Heinlein might have never become the prolific author he became.
Making a point of responding, and responding with no new information - merely a spin - proves my point.
No it doesn't. Simply because you choose not to accept the true answer doesn't make it less true. Sorry if you dislike the truth, but that doesn't alter the veracity of what Gnub said. You might want to adjust your tinfoil hat; it's slipping to the right.
If they wanted to issue the beta keys based on relevant, "non-random" criteria, they could look at demographics, system information, LFD karma, account history, etc
Which they do - in the beta keys that Blizzard hands out themselves.
Forums should not be advertising by proxy. The content should reflect the opinions and inclinations of the playerbase, not Blizzard's PR.
And it does - except for the threads dedicated to this contest. If you don't like 'em, don't read 'em. Dealing with the 'advertising' (and personally I don't see it as advertising; advertising is primarily an atetmpt to get your product in front of new eyes, and anyone visiting Wowhead is likely already a WoW player) is as simple here as it is on television: There you hit the mute button, here you just
don't click the thread
.
I'm definitely a fairly negative person by nature. I see the glass half-empty. My feeling is, the world needs all kinds. I think that individuals and organizations owe their greatness to their critics.
And I consider critics one of the most worthless jobs out there. Those who cannot create, criticize. To quote the author I mentioned earlier in my posts, "A "critic" is a man who creates nothing and thereby feels qualified to judge the work of creative men. There is logic in this; he is unbiased — he hates all creative people equally."
Oh, and apparently you feel that the world needs all kinds - as long as you can still complain when you disagree with them.
There's no denying that investment in the game is down.
There isn't? Then I'll take your source to back up that statement. Based on
actual data
, the stock appears to be pretty steady around its year average of $11.00 per share.
Blizzard has made an about-face on their earlier commitment to not make WoW a microtransaction game.
By releasing completely optional vanity pets and mounts? Oh, boo effin' hoo. Get over the sparkle pony. Your glass ain't half empty; it's completely empty because you
raaaaaaaged
and smashed it.
Regarding ego, well, show me the man who doesn't like things his way - who has no opinions and approaches the world and what he wants from it with total indifference. Are you that way? Do you have no opinions, you don't care about anything or what you want? I think not - so isn't it hypocritical to make that accusation towards me?
I have opinions. However, unlike you, I don't state them as fact unless I'm willing to present some sort of objective evidence to back up my claims (see my link to the overall ActiBlizz stock progression for an example).
How does it do players, the industry, even Blizzard themselves, any good, to make a WORSE product? Shouldn't the goal be to make a BETTER one?
...yes, they should make a better product. In my opinion, they are. Your mileage may vary.
We have a word for people like you.
We call them fools.
So much for, "It takes all kinds," eh? Apparently you should alter your statement to be, "It takes all kinds - as long as those kinds agree with me - otherwise, they're idiots." At this point, you've devolved from an attempt to disguise your opinion as fact in debate to outright straw-man arguments.
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Tya1
Who exactly makes the judgement of when a product is better? You? Me? Blizzard? The masses? Now, I don't have insights in Blizzards numbers, on how many ppl join, renew, cancel or put on hold their accounts in x period, but considering Blizzard has been pretty high up the lists of most popular and influential games of the past 5 years...I think they do a pretty damn good job in delivering a proper product and continuing to do so.
But hey, if you are so disagreeing with it:
http://eu.blizzard.com/en-gb/company/careers/directory.html#region=Americas
There you go...chop chop, go change Blizzard to get yourself that better product.
Ego and opinion is not the same thing. Opinion is having a preference on something. Ego is thinking your opinion is the only preference that matters.
Yes, everybody likes things to go their way. If I walk up to the pay out counter in the supermarkt and there is a line I am very pleased if another counter is opened up and I can pay quickly. Ego is expecting that that counter should be opened for you. And then throw a hissy fit if that doesn't happen.
I am not bothered by your opinions. I am bothered by the way you present them. As the one and only truth, not able to step back for a single moment and think: hm...haven't thought about it that way. Perhaps there is a point in that.
And by the way...Regarding ego, well, show me the man who doesn't like things his way - who has no opinions and approaches the world and what he wants from it with total indifference.
They are called buddists.
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Post by
Cambo
Haiku competition is not PR.
+1 Gnub.
We have a word for people like you.
We call them fools.
*gasp*
That wasn't nice at all. I didn't say nasty things about you.
You are bad. If I see you walking down the street, I'ma kick you in the shin.
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Post by
ZerXonE
Aestu is nothing but an impostor, trying to come off as intellectual by way of verbal superiority. A futile act, as vocabulary has relatively little to do with ones intelligence(I said
relatively
little!). A fine example is his rant about the Ashes of Alar and Dark Phoenix, which can be summed up with 'noes, people wont look at me and recognize my leetness anymore!'.
He used a gruesome amount of words to make the point that he didn't like how people wont immediately differ his mount from the Dark Phoenix. It's equally idiotic as complaining that the level 75(?) trolls in DTK wields the High Warlord weapon. The implementation of the Dark Phoenix wont have any effect on the Ashes of Alar, other than shrinking his epeen.
And then there's the current topic, in which he wants others to adopt his cynical view on the world, or else they are fools. None of us know the "true" motive behind the contest, but there's nothing supporting Aestus view, other than his own pedantic rants.
PR stands for Public Relations. Now, I don't know about you, but if a company didn't give two %^&*s about their public relations then I'd stay far away from them. Aestu must
really
hate his mother for pushing him into a world in which any relations between people have evil intentions, and a fotball match is nothing but a feeble attempt to control the masses by disguising it as a
fun
game.
Post by
Pwntiff
Damn, I promised myself to completely ignore Aestu since the Dark Phoenix incident...
"No one goes there anymore, it's too crowded!" -Woody Allen
It was Yogi Berra. He was responding to a question about whether or not the Yankees frequented a restaurant in New York.
Tell that to Evangelists, please. They need to know.
The truly devout pray in their closets.
Tell that to evangelists, please. They need to know.
security is worse than ever before
the community is worse than ever before
Blizzard is more paranoid about criticism than ever before
content is made on the basis of economy over quality to a greater extent than ever before
How is security worse than ever? Is it a larger number of people being compromised, or a larger
percentage
. If there are one hundred players and one of them gets hacked, that is just as secure as one million people playing and ten thousand players getting hacked. Also, successful phishing does not constitute lack of security on Blizzard's part. They can't prevent stupid.
Same argument for the community. Has the actual percentage of 'vinegar-based feminine hygiene products' in WoW increased? Or just the number of them with a stable percentage?
Provide proof of Blizzard's paranoia.
I don't agree with content being quantity before economy; therefore, that "objective fact" isn't so objective anymore.
Post by
xaratherus
I didn't bother reading the response to my post, and from now on I'll be passing up certain posts and simply not replying to them, after reading other topics mentioned.
The direction that the game is going is not liked by some players. Speaking as "that Xaratherus guy", I guess I'm obligated to offer my opinion on Cataclysm: Having toyed around on my roommate's beta account, I've found nothing but changes that I've enjoyed, so we'll agree to disagree, and if that gets me labeled as a fanboy, or stupid, then that carries as much weight as any other opinion.
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