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Post by
OptimusJ
Err... just any AoE is exactly what it is. It's the most basic kind of AoE in the game - same as Rain of Fire.
Sorry, I couldn't find Rain of Fire anywhere in my HUNTER.
You know, like the one class I'm discussing here. With lots of abilities targeted and I think only 2 set in area...
Post by
Kristopher
...
Are you one of those folks who aoe's a single target?
Perhaps I should have emphasized.
What about SV hunters and explosive shot sharing a CD with fire traps...
Snake trap?
...
Yeah, are you one of those hunters who aoe's on single targets?
What on earth does that have to do with a SV hunters main ability being tied to your new suggestive AoE attack?
Post by
Interest
I think LosRojos is trolling you Kris.
Post by
Kristopher
I think LosRojos is trolling you Kris.
Its not affecting me any, I'm just curious.
Post by
Interest
I think LosRojos is trolling you Kris.
Its not affecting me any, I'm just curious.
Well, I'm basing the info off the reason the other QQ thread on Tranq Shot getting locked up.
Post by
397950
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Post by
freedfromthereal
Um...I'm calling each and everyone of you who's complaining about volley out to point some very important things out:
1) We are getting Trap Launcher for EVERY trap. That obviously means that Explosive trap can be placed from where we're standing anyways, which, also last I checked, won't impede our ability to DPS in an AoE situation because you generally wouldn't even be using Black Arrow on an AoE pull anyways...you'd be Volleying, or in Cata, Explosive trapping and then focusing down key mobs (hopefully).
2) Using volley and MD at the same time on a bunch of moving adds is honestly a waste of time and a cooldown. Multi Shot + Aimed Shot + Explosive/Chimera will do the job just as well spread across multiple targets, with the added bonus of generating a lot more threat than a single tick of Volley.
3) We do not have to channel to contribute to an AoE situation. That means that we can actually do our jobs and use all of the wonderful utilities given to us by blizzard (Tranq Shot, MD, CC, etc.) without remotely worrying that our AoE damage will stop because of this. "But freed, druids getting our tranq shot QQQQQQQQ," yeah, great, wrong thread for it. We can do it while AoE'ing, and the druids can't, and that's the point, which leads into my fourth point.
4) This is BETA. That's right people, BETA. No matter what we say now numbers will still need to be tweaked, we don't know what they're doing about Multi-Shot, we don't know how the new stat allocations will affect Explosive Trap's AP ratio, damage, or duration, and most importantly we don't know if the content will even be AoE friendly, which, as the Blizzard devs have made it clear to us, it will not be the same AoE flustercuck that Wrath was, not by a long shot.
Post by
Rilgon
http://www.stabilizedeffortscope.com/?p=1578
enough said
Post by
Asylu
Ladies and Gentlemen, (I am going to assume there is another female hunter besides myself on this topic, no offense meant =D) what this boils down to is thus: They are trying to remove hunters as a viable heroic/raiding class.
No other logical conclusion could be drawn. Why would you remove the only AoE spell that a class has otherwise? Multi-Shot by the spell descriptor is not an Area of Effect as it does not effect an area. If Volley is removed then I call for
Fan of Knives
and
Thunderclap
to be removed as well.
<sarcasm>I mean they are melee, why do they need an AoE? </sarcasm>
I don't think there is enough lube in the world for just how much Blizz has begun to screw our class over.
/end rant
Post by
Interest
http://www.stabilizedeffortscope.com/?p=1578
enough said
Roffle...
Post by
bobn9lvu
LOL, you just don't get it, with volley there was no minimum range restriction.
So on bosses that you had to stay grouped up on the boss, you can still contribute to damage out.
In some cases it is much better than multi, like on transitions on the LK fight.
I can aim volley and decide what gets hit, not so on multi, where its a crap-shoot ond the 2nd third targets, specially in groups larger than 3...
Volley was great in PVP against rogues, not so multi.
Post by
HoleofArt
An interesting look at this from BRK:
http://www.bigredkitty.net/2010/08/26/volley-we-hardly-knew-you/
Looks at it from a more aesthetic standpoint rather than in terms of game mechanics. More importantly, it's far more toned down than a lot of other responses (mine included).
And a fairly bad response. His only reasoning is that Hunter's aren't natural for AoEs, and that we should be #1 single-target. Make us #1 single-target damage so we can compete with AoE's (*spoiler* we won't) and I'd be a bit less irritated about it.
I also don't understand how we aren't "natural" for AoE?
What's the difference between us being able to rain down a Volley of Arrows/Bullets and a Rogue being able to throw a couple dozen knives at once? That just doesn't seem like a good excuse. Is the animation a little clunky? Sure. Fix that then, there would be no complaints from me.
There is no
real
reason to take away Volley. There really isn't. You can grasp for straws all you want - it doesn't change the fact that Volley was working as intended.
Post by
Interest
LOL, you just don't get it,
with volley there was no minimum range restriction.
So on bosses that you had to stay grouped up on the boss, you can still contribute to damage out.
In some cases it is much better than multi, like on transitions on the LK fight.
I can aim volley and decide what gets hit, not so on multi, where its a crap-shoot ond the 2nd third targets, specially in groups larger than 3...
Volley was great in PVP against rogues, not so multi.
Blizzard is removing most of our melee utility as well as I recall, so this goes in line with the minimum range restriction penalizing hunters.
Post by
Garenzo
Raptor strike is still there (you just don't start out with it) and it doesn't cost any focus. Don't think Wing Clip is getting removed either?
Post by
Interest
Raptor strike is still there (you just don't start out with it) and it doesn't cost any focus. Don't think Wing Clip is getting removed either?
Wing Clip is still there? Oh thank god.
Post by
Garenzo
Raptor strike is still there (you just don't start out with it) and it doesn't cost any focus. Don't think Wing Clip is getting removed either?
Wing Clip is still there? Oh thank god.
Well can't confirm that, never leveled a hunter past 12 or so on the beta. I can confirm that Raptor Strike is still there though so no clue why Wing Clip would be a goner...
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632573
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Post by
Rilgon
From LosRojo: Volley is only used for sustained AoE damage in raids/dungeons. It is never used for any other purpose. None whatsoever.
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