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Post by
taurenmoo812
Eh... Bad example. I didn't really like Tirion by the end of WotLK. DK starter zone was cool, and rather liked the Icecrown quests, but the Tournament and his total stealing of the ICC credit were totally stupid.
Yeah gotta agree that could have been handled better. A happy training ground on the same earth as the scourge, hee.
Still, he did lead the charge and was the last living knight of the silver hand, so he was bound to be the hero, and the ashbringer.
Anyway, Thrall is the hero now as Metzen said, but of course other forces will be fighting against things like the elemental lords, the old gods and deathwing himself, and he will show just what Metzen claims this.
Post by
taurenmoo812
What point? That Tirion survived the final fight with the Lich King, after mass rezzing the heroes, shattering Frostmourne, and promising Bolvar not to spill the beans....after making a massive statue in the center of Dalaran? I'm sorry, but just as other people do, I get antsy when I hear the terms: Most important, most powerful, most awesome super amazing incredible...alright maybe not the last one too much, but still, throws up warning signals for me.
I'd rather have character development for all, instead of focus one; I mean, we see it for Baine Bloodhoof in the aftermath of his father's death. We're seeing it for Moira Bronzebeard finally, after sitting in BRD for years(oh, and she had the kid, a little boy). We're seeing it in spades for Anduin; between the weapon given to him by Magni, his own desire to step out from under his father's shadow, and his desire to learn the Light, I'm looking forward to the future.
After all, it's World of Warcraft, not World of Thrall.
I'd love to see your stilling account discussed with Metzen now.
Guess what, Thralls getting character development too, and when the big man himself says who the hero is here, you know he means it.
Post by
Skreeran
Eh... Differing tastes. I'm totally cool with Thrall having the spotlight focused on him for a while. I don't think that Metzen means that "Thrall is the only character we care about now." He's just saying that Thrall is very important and a lot of things are being put into motion to better develop him as a character. Like Garrosh, for example.
Post by
Adamsm
I'm fine with Thrall getting character development, but as I said, and you left out:
After all, it's World of Warcraft, not World of Thrall.This is not Warcraft Adventures: Lord of the Clans, where Thrall was the hero.
Eh... Differing tastes. I'm totally cool with Thrall having the spotlight focused on him for a while. I don't think that Metzen means that "Thrall is the only character we care about now." He's just saying that Thrall is very important and a lot of things are being put into motion to better develop him as a character. Like Garrosh, for example.
Aye
Post by
Rankkor
You know I got to say, for the first time, I actully have some faith in what they intend to do.
FINALLY.
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306612
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Post by
Rankkor
You know I got to say, for the first time, I actully have some faith in what they intend to do.
FINALLY.
Whereas I become disinterested, really. Having Metzen go outright and say that his mary sue is the central character of Warcraft is kind of saying to the Alliance that nothing they do will be of any real significance because, well, it's not Thrall's side.
Also, it's confirmed that Velen's war is just a red herring because, well, as Metzen said, it ain't Thrall.
And let's not even go into the other Horde leaders, who, while they've always played second banana, are now relegated to third banana or lesser status.
meh, don't be so pesimistic, just because 1 character is THE most important one in the game doesn't make the other ones less important.
take LOTR for example, is all about frodo, that doesn't mean that other characters like Aragorn, Theoeden, Eowin, Galadriel, Elrond and a rather huge ect don't get to have the spotlight at some point.
every story MUST have a protagonist, it's inevitable, in this case the protagonist is thrall, but that doesn't mean the rest of the cast is there to be background noise.
not for nothing when Varian was introduced he was described as "The Anti-Thrall"
Post by
Adamsm
every story MUST have a protagonist, it's inevitable, in this case the protagonist is thrall, but that doesn't mean the rest of the cast is there to be background noise.Right but by focusing on one, the others get shuffled into the background; to continue your LotR reference; who actually recalls anything about the other hobbits? Or what the dwarf and elf did afterwards? You know Aragron, Frodo and Sam...but beyond that, who really cares about the other members of the Fellowship?
And I partially agree with Sigma; the other Lore figures will not get the full spotlight for their races that they should if Thrall is the designated 'hero' of the story....which is again, not why I play World of Warcraft.
Post by
Rankkor
every story MUST have a protagonist, it's inevitable, in this case the protagonist is thrall, but that doesn't mean the rest of the cast is there to be background noise.Right but by focusing on one, the others get shuffled into the background; to continue your LotR reference; who actually recalls anything about the other hobbits? Or what the dwarf and elf did afterwards? You know Aragron, Frodo and Sam...but beyond that, who really cares about the other members of the Fellowship?
And I partially agree with Sigma; the other Lore figures will not get the full spotlight for their races that they should if Thrall is the designated 'hero' of the story....which is again, not why I play World of Warcraft.
well, look at the bright side :P it's just for this expantion, I mean, WOTLK was all about Tirion.
because Rhonin played a (thank god) marginal role, only in the uld cinematic, and the algalon quest.
Varian and garrosh are only there to get the Conflict ball rolling.
Thrall and Jaina were only there to play the "sane man" role to counter Varian and Garrosh hotheadness.
and Muradin plus Saurfang where only there to help the adventurers in the final siege.
in the end, all the laurels were given to Tirion, it was him who saved the day in light's hope chapel, it was him who joined the argent dawn with the silver hand, and rallied a new faction overnight.
it was him who led the breach into icecrown, The purification of Crusader's Pinnacle, The destruction of the Lich king's heart, the construction of the colliseum, and the supervision of the tournment, and it was him who led the final push against the citadel, and finished off the lich king.
only slightly during patch 3.1 was the focus deviated a bit from tirion and his fight against the scourge, so our eyes could focus on Brann and the whole oldgods+titan lore.
90% of WOTLK however, had tirion everywhere (Listed zones where he shows up: Howling Fjord, Scarlet enclave, Argent Vanguard, Crusader's pinnacle, Cathedral of Darkness, Argent tournament 3 separated times, Argent Colliseum in 5man, argent colliseum on 10/25man, and Icecrown citadel, that's 3 times more than thrall or garrosh or varian combined)
now Cata will have thrall as the protagonist, that doesn't mean he's gonna be the only one, I'm guessing that when we deal with the legion, Velen will be the protagonist.
Much the same way as when we face Azshara, some Night elf will be the protagonist, ect ect.
Post by
Skreeran
every story MUST have a protagonist, it's inevitable, in this case the protagonist is thrall, but that doesn't mean the rest of the cast is there to be background noise.Right but by focusing on one, the others get shuffled into the background; to continue your LotR reference; who actually recalls anything about the other hobbits? Or what the dwarf and elf did afterwards? You know Aragron, Frodo and Sam...but beyond that, who really cares about the other members of the Fellowship?
And I partially agree with Sigma; the other Lore figures will not get the full spotlight for their races that they should if Thrall is the designated 'hero' of the story....which is again, not why I play World of Warcraft.Neither you nor I know what is going to happen. It was not until Metzen mentioned that "Thrall was the most important person on Azeroth" that anyone changed their opinion on anything. You don't know if Thrall's going to kick everyone out of the spotlight and make everyone else sit on the back bench, or if, I don't know, everything is
not
going to be a catastrophe.
By saying "Thrall is the most important person on Azeroth" he's not saying that no one else matters. You might say that Luke Skywalker was the most important person in the Star War trilogy (because there were only three movies after all), but that doesn't mean that Han Solo was forced to give up his spot and concede all glory to the almighty Luke Suewalker. Han, Leia and Chewie all had very important roles to play, and they all got plenty of screentime and character development.
Stop @#$%^ing about how Thrall took over and turned the whole game into World of Thrall and kicked everyone out of the spotlight and stole everyone's screentime and stagnated everyone's character development just because of one sentence by Chris Metzen when nothing has actually happened yet.
Post by
Adamsm
now Cata will have thrall as the protagonistRight, and I don't see the over all reason for it; I mean, sure Tirion had to lead for Lich King, he had the Ashbringer, the opposite of Frostmourne. But why Thrall? He's a shaman(in the words of the Metzan the most powerful), but what good does that do against some of the threats?
How is it that Thrall would know something more then Malfurion for dealing with the threats of Hyjal? Why is it that the big green machine is better suited to lead us then Brann against the rising Old God? What can Thrall do for the Broken that Velen can't? And how many humans would listen to Thrall over their king, same with the dwarves?
Again, not trying to belittle Thrall or the like; just saying, for an expansion like Cata, where the threat is one that will end everything, don't turn on Lore character into a Messiah.
Edit:Stop @#$%^ing about how Thrall took over and turned the whole game into World of Thrall and kicked everyone out of the spotlight and stole everyone's screentime and stagnated everyone's character development just because of one sentence by Chris Metzen when nothing has actually happened yet./raised eyebrow
Post by
Skreeran
I'm just saying, don't just hop right into the gap left by Tauren, saying "O noes! Teh game is ruined! It's going to suck! I don't wanna play anymore!"
Just suck it up, see how it turns out, and make your decision then. You're both saying that the game is going to be ruined by something you're only making guesses about.
Post by
Adamsm
/shrug
Eh, more making comments for the devil's advocate thing here; what could happen if Blizzard were to make the focus of an entire expansion around one person for the 'side of good' and what would happen to the other leaders and lore figures out there.
Edit: And you know me, I don't like being forced to take a specific path if others are open heh.
Post by
Rankkor
adams, the theme in WOTLK was "kill undead" thus a powerfull paladin made sence as the protagonist.
in CATA the theme is "elements have gone batsh1t insane" thus the most powerfull shaman makes sense.
Deathwing, the old gods, ect all of that is a background noise, because these bad guys use the elements as their tools to bring about the end of the world.
thus smeone with a strong grip on the elements makes sence to stop them.
Post by
Skreeran
/shrug
Eh, more making comments for the devil's advocate thing here; what could happen if Blizzard were to make the focus of an entire expansion around one person for the 'side of good' and what would happen to the other leaders and lore figures out there.
Edit: And you know me, I don't like being forced to take a specific path if others are open heh.Again, they never said that the entire expansion would be focused on Thrall. All Metzen said was that "Thrall is the most important person on Azeroth" and that they have a lot of ideas for character development for him.
As I said before, Luke Skywalker was the most important person in Star Wars, and he got a lot of character development, but that doesn't mean Star Wars was "Luke Skywalker: The Story." He just happened to figure into its plot in a significant manner. But lots of other characters, from Han to Leia to Lando all got plenty of screentime and plot development.
Post by
Adamsm
Heh, refer to above. And you know my feelings on the most powerful shaman topic.
Edit: This comment is for Rank, for the comment I made that Skree quoted.
Post by
306612
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Post by
Adamsm
Magni gives a mace of some significance to BaineAnduin, not Baine heh...unless Anduin hands it over...should probably finish the Shattering at some point today.
Post by
GVHB
Adamsm, you have been spoiled.
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306612
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