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taurenmoo812
Garrosh is a terrible character. Its that simple. He's one dimensional, he acts like he's untouchable and never listens to anything anyone else says, but then his mistakes have cost the lives of many horde soldiers.
He has NO developed story to his background, other then being the son of grom. So What? there has never been an explanation to why he hates the alliance or why he suffers from such rage issues. It might be because of groms nature, but Grom actully did have a code of honor that Garrosh hasn't shown.
And the only real reason Garrosh is here isn't because he's a well developed chararacter. Its because he's a plot device, one used to shake up the horde and break down the code of honor the orcs have regained. He is a plot mechanic.
When a great character comes into a story, you know it right away that theres something about them. Durotan, Grom, Orgrim. Lothar, Tirion, Thrall, most had humble beginnings and yet you just knew there was something remarkable about them. The wat they were above and beyond there average man, it made them stand out.
I have not had any sense of that with Garrosh. From the start I just saw him as a quest giver and a shallow and thoughtless leader. In the scourge invasion, he already questioned the man who brought him back from the brink and challanged him. He ignored the council given to him, and acted without reason or thought to his actions.
The ONLY reason people want Garrosh around is for a plot mechanic, and going so far as to make him warchief to shake more #$%^ up is just that, not developing a character but making termoil. He isn't what the horde is about now, and never will be.
I ask anyone to give one single example of what good he actully has to him, and a sensible answer, not something like 'he makes the horde want to pwn allyz lol'.
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Adamsm
Which is a lie, as it started in Undercity under Sylvanas command; the Blight was finished in Northrend, and the final product used in the coup. Had there been some Orc presence in Undercity, it might not have happened, and so many didn't have to die needlessly.
Orc presence
Heh, so there was an ambassador... and it still came out of nowhere.... strange.
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Monday
Which is a lie, as it started in Undercity under Sylvanas command; the Blight was finished in Northrend, and the final product used in the coup. Had there been some Orc presence in Undercity, it might not have happened, and so many didn't have to die needlessly.
Orc presence
Heh, so there was an ambassador... and it still came out of nowhere.... strange.
Perhaps a traitor?
I dunno, just throwing it out there.
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GVHB
Galavosh is not in-game. Makes you wonder, could have the Forsaken killed him?
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Adamsm
That makes more sense then. But they didn't have to kill him; they could have just kept him away from the labs heh, though, if he was a shaman he should have sensed all the pain and suffering in the city... unless the Undead themselves were canceling it out.
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taurenmoo812
So after saying all that about how Thrall didn't send someone to investigate.. it turns out he did.
Kind of goes against any assumption you had before didn't it.
Another point to in regards to sylvanas. In cataclysm, she see her talking to an orc general (or ambassador) about him ensuring the forsaken blight was disposed of, and she saying to him it was, only to turn around and say she to one forsaken follower to ship the blight, use it to desolve the remains of the corpses there and hide all evidense.
It isn't to far fetch to believe she did the same with the first ambassador, or she made a solid job of keeping it out of plain sight.
I know she's an evil $%^&*, it turns out Thrall and Cairne were concerned enough to do something about this.
what with Varian basically blaming Thrall for Sylvanas' apothecaries killing Bolvar.
As darktons post on the ambasador said, Thrall did send someone to watch, he wasn't idol, but sylvanas was just to crafty.
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Monday
So after saying all that about how Thrall didn't send someone to investigate.. it turns out he did.
Kind of goes against any assumption you had before didn't it.
Doesn't that make it worse though? Basically it shows the ambassador was corrupt/inept enough to be bought out/fooled by Sylvanas.
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Adamsm
So after saying all that about how Thrall didn't send someone to investigate.. it turns out he did.
Kind of goes against any assumption you had before didn't it.Aye... but not the way your thinking; if his communications suddenly went quiet like your suggesting... why didn't Thrall and the others go to see why....
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taurenmoo812
So after saying all that about how Thrall didn't send someone to investigate.. it turns out he did.
Kind of goes against any assumption you had before didn't it.Aye... but not the way your thinking; if his communications suddenly went quiet like your suggesting... why didn't Thrall and the others go to see why....
how do you know he didn't tell Thrall what he saw? perhaps he came back and told him all he found were there apothcarys making potions and nothing more. Because if Sylvanas was smart enough she would of hidden evidense so as not to be discovered and interfered with.
Also, the NPCs in-game confirm they didn't send an ambassador, and with this information coming out of the PNP RPG books...
I can name several dozen characters in warcraft lore that don't appear in the game itself but are very much alive and part of it. This ambassador sounds like one of them
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GVHB
So after saying all that about how Thrall didn't send someone to investigate.. it turns out he did.
Kind of goes against any assumption you had before didn't it.Aye... but not the way your thinking; if his communications suddenly went quiet like your suggesting... why didn't Thrall and the others go to see why....
how do you know he didn't tell Thrall what he saw? perhaps he came back and told him all he found were there apothcarys making potions and nothing more. Because if Sylvanas was smart enough she would of hidden evidense so as not to be discovered and interfered with.
That's possible too.
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Adamsm
So after saying all that about how Thrall didn't send someone to investigate.. it turns out he did.
Kind of goes against any assumption you had before didn't it.Aye... but not the way your thinking; if his communications suddenly went quiet like your suggesting... why didn't Thrall and the others go to see why....
how do you know he didn't tell Thrall what he saw? perhaps he came back and told him all he found were there apothcarys making potions and nothing more. Because if Sylvanas was smart enough she would of hidden evidense so as not to be discovered and interfered with.
Well, considering what you put up there:Another point to in regards to sylvanas. In cataclysm, she see her talking to an orc general (or ambassador) about him ensuring the forsaken blight was disposed of, and she saying to him it was, only to turn around and say she to one forsaken follower to ship the blight, use it to desolve the remains of the corpses there and hide all evidense.
It isn't to far fetch to believe she did the same with the first ambassador, or she made a solid job of keeping it out of plain sight. It's entirely possible they killed him before hand, but it still seems weird that someone they sent to learn about the new race joining up and they just go quiet, you'd think that the Horde would want to know why.
And aye, a huge portion of the RP Books are semi-out of Lore, but something like this would make sense.
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taurenmoo812
That's possible too.
Like say, I'm going on how she already proves in cataclysm she would lie and go behind everyones backs for her schemes. No reason she didn't do it before to make her people look like willing servents to the horde.
And aye, a huge portion of the RP Books are semi-out of Lore, but something like this would make sense.
Then as saying on the second thought, the ambassador did return to Thrall, but sylvanas covered her tracks so well he ambassabor had nothing much to tell, and so both Thrall and Cairne thought nothing more of it.
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