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How is destroying someone else's experiance through being a complete idiot somehow MORE moral than destroying the idiot's experience on purpose?
That is really obvious. Say a toddler that is pretty unaware of the consequences breaks something you care about? Say you raked up loads of leaves and the toddler, oblivious to the time it will waste, blindly stumbles into the leaves. It was an accident, but the child probably had fun doing it once he was down there, same as the "M & S" that ruin his fun and waste his time in PvP etc. . But can you effectively make the toddler realise what they did was wrong? Not really, it wasn't even a malicious act, it was an accident.
Bad example. The toddler is not grown enough to understand. If you would read Gevlon blog, you would know he understand that case. A good example would have been a 10 yo kid that jump into the leaves to have funs, it's ok, you cant be mad at him, he didnt know that it was alot of time and effort. But now you teach him that he must not do that because it make you waste time that you could use to do something else. A well educated kid will get the message and not do it anymore, a M&S will jump back into the leaves as soon as you will have done it again.
That is what a M&S is, someone that refuse to learn from his mistakes. Then the proper thing to do is a slap.
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You all are wrong. Both sides of the thing are wrong, and right at the same time. Why? Gevlon is in his right to play the game as he wants. And so are the M&S. Im a great supporter of ganking and reasoned griefing(they really should gtfo with their blueshielding $%^&, blizz remove that plz) but Im also a support of the right to do whatever you %^&*ing like. I dont see the point in griefing the M&S on one single server to get them to transfer. They will just $%^& up somewhere else, anyway. And you know, everyone has been a newb in wow once, and probably also quite a moron sometimes. And slacking is soooo easy. Really, just GTFO with your whiny whiny oh noes they whine so we go whine too! Oh noes, I dont like them so now im going to gank them... Just stfu. Enjoy your game the way you like it, and dont criticise how others like it. There is no need to respect, understand, or even know someone elses opinion. Just live with the fact that you wont be able to change it.
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@Hospy: Arathian give the wrong examples of M&S. The "71/0/0 specs, or who stand in the fire" are PvE M&S (and it is covered by the other gevlon project, Undergeared).
The PvP M&S are the ones who solo rush into a pack of 10 players. The one that do not defend the flag, the one who attack the FC instead to kill the healer, the player who try to get on top of damage/healing/KB without contributing to the whole BG goal, etc.
The Ganking project is to show that a few players with a brain > a bunch of M&S and so far, we are succesful to it.
About Barniques, he didnt bring any valid argument, he just listed HIS assumptions of Gevlon assumption and said, this wont work.
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Anyway, this thread derailed alot. It went from "Will the project works?" (which obviously do) to "It is immoral to grief M&S".
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I think expecting everyone in a random BG to play "correctly" is a somewhat unrealistic expectation. There are many different strategies for many of the battlegrounds, and what one person may consider an effective strategy another may think is absolute rubbish.
Even broader, they're there to have fun. Maybe they enjoy committing suicide over and over again and doing what you and I would consider horrible play. Maybe I'm wrong in my belief, but as long as they're playing the game, they're doing more than what an afk botter would do, and really, that's all I expect of my compatriots. Battlegrounds are not serious, and if you wanted them to be, the option of forming a premade is entirely yours.
wtf... You can't be serious on this. According to you, I should go set your house on fire because you know, I think it is fun, even if it grief you.
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