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Adamsm
n2: It's not my opinion. Males biologically match with females. It's the natural. The fact that some animal are homosexuals means nothing. It's NOT natural, it's un-natural by definition as it's not the "normal" way.You know, I'd consider continuing... but there is no point; your right, we're all wrong, your opinions are obviously the truth(note please, male parts do go into other things then female parts), but hey, whatever, it's obvious you don't really care what the rest of us say here.
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Post by
ArgentSun
I at least have known for a fact that it's genetic - for at least a few years.
So why haven't you written a paper showing all of your research/evidence which would end this social debate?
Because I learned that
from
a paper like that. The reason there is social debate and ignorance is not because the information is not out there, accessible via Google. It is because people have believed that homosexuality (and sexuality in general) is a choice for some few thousand years.
Post by
Hyperspacerebel
I at least have known for a fact that it's genetic - for at least a few years.
So why haven't you written a paper showing all of your research/evidence which would end this social debate?
Because I learned that
from
a paper like that. The reason there is social debate and ignorance is not because the information is not out there, accessible via Google. It is because people have believed that homosexuality (and sexuality in general) is a choice for some few thousand years.
I find that to be an inaccurate representation of "anti-homosexuality" believes.
To say that people have believed for the last thousand years that "attraction" (whether to the same or opposite sex) is a choice is silly. The issue is the act itself.
That
is the choice.
That
is what people 1000 years ago and people today are referring to when they speak of a choice.
Post by
Patty
What i said is that it is not what was supposed to what, aka not normal, aka un-natural, as in "not natural", not the normal
Natural =/= Normal. We were naturally born naked, yet most of us wear clothes. The norm is unnatural, in that instance.
There is a reason homosexuals can't reproduce (no, it's not because god doesn't approve, i am an atheist, remember?)What about barren men and women? Hmm? That's unnatural; surely, because it's not 'the norm'. Even if they were born sterile.
The reason there is social debate and ignorance is not because the information is not out there, accessible via Google. It is because people have believed that homosexuality (and sexuality in general) is a choice for some few thousand years.
My respect for you has skyrocketed at this moment in time.
Post by
Hyperspacerebel
What about barren men and women? Hmm? That's unnatural; surely, because it's not 'the norm'. Even if they were born sterile.
Yes that is unnatural. Very much so.
You were saying?
Natural =/= Normal. We were naturally born naked, yet most of us wear clothes. The norm is unnatural, in that instance.
Holy crap, equivocation.
Don't bring social norms into a discussion on nature.
Post by
Patty
What about barren men and women? Hmm? That's unnatural; surely, because it's not 'the norm'. Even if they were born sterile.
Yes that is unnatural. Very much so.
You were saying?
If they're born that way, how can it be unnatural? It's how nature (their genetics) made them.
Post by
Hyperspacerebel
What about barren men and women? Hmm? That's unnatural; surely, because it's not 'the norm'. Even if they were born sterile.
Yes that is unnatural. Very much so.
You were saying?
If they're born that way, how can it be unnatural? It's how nature (their genetics) made them.
genetic=/=natural
You don't need backing for that. Until you can prove that those two are correlative, you're argument has no foundation.
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Patty
Natural is something that is the normal way (not social norm).
That's a usage of it, yes.
However, it is primarily;
# in accordance with nature; relating to or concerning nature; "a very natural development"; "our natural environment"; "natural science"; "natural ...
# existing in or in conformity with nature or the observable world; neither supernatural nor magical; "a perfectly natural explanation"
I liked how you brushed that over.
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150529
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Hyperspacerebel
# in accordance with nature; relating to or concerning nature; "a very natural development"; "our natural environment"; "natural science"; "natural ...
# existing in or in conformity with nature or the observable world; neither supernatural nor magical; "a perfectly natural explanation"
I liked how you brushed that over.
Then I repeat,
Then your definition of natural is silly and meaningless. Everything that happens is therefore natural, and thus no distinction is being made.
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Post by
Skreeran
I don't get it. If you're an atheist, why do you care what men do in their bedroom?
If you're religious, what makes you think that you should get to decide what men do in their bedroom?
You want to know why Gay pride exists? Same reason for the whole Black pride movement during the Civil Rights era. For millennia, homosexuals have been killed, raped, beaten, shunned, exiled, spat upon, and generally been treated poorly.
If homosexuality is genetic, then it really is a #$%^-poor deal that they got. Like the girls who had mental illnesses who were burned at the stake for being witches.
Well, now, the clouds are just beginning to part for them. For probably the first time in human history, they find themselves accepted for who they are, and they don't have to hide. Finally, they don't have to worry so much about being beaten to death. Gay pride parades are just their way of saying "Hey, world! I'm not afraid of you anymore! This is how I am, and I'm not going to change! I'm proud of how I was born, and there's not a damn thing you can do to change that!"
And you know what, that's fine with me. After thousands of years of them having to deal with "Homosexuality is an abomination, kill them all," I think that we can stand to deal with a few uncomfortable Gay pride parades.
Post by
Hyperspacerebel
I don't get it. If you're an atheist, why do you care what men do in their bedroom?
If you're religious, what makes you think that you should get to decide what men do in their bedroom?
You want to know why Gay pride exists? Same reason for the whole Black pride movement during the Civil Rights era. For millennia, homosexuals have been killed, raped, beaten, shunned, exiled, spat upon, and generally been treated poorly.
If homosexuality is genetic, then it really is a #$%^-poor deal that they got. Like the girls who had mental illnesses who were burned at the stake for being witches.
Well, now, the clouds are just beginning to part for them. For probably the first time in human history, they find themselves accepted for who they are, and they don't have to hide. Finally, they don't have to worry so much about being beaten to death. Gay pride parades are just their way of saying "Hey, world! I'm not afraid of you anymore! This is how I am, and I'm not going to change! I'm proud of how I was born, and there's not a damn thing you can do to change that!"
And you know what, that's fine with me. After thousands of years of them having to deal with "Homosexuality is an abomination, kill them all," I think that we can stand to deal with a few uncomfortable Gay pride parades.
You made several assumptions, the most blatant of which is that if it is genetic it is therefore acceptable. I wholeheartedly disagree.
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150529
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Post by
Skreeran
I don't get it. If you're an atheist, why do you care what men do in their bedroom?
If you're religious, what makes you think that you should get to decide what men do in their bedroom?
You want to know why Gay pride exists? Same reason for the whole Black pride movement during the Civil Rights era. For millennia, homosexuals have been killed, raped, beaten, shunned, exiled, spat upon, and generally been treated poorly.
If homosexuality is genetic, then it really is a #$%^-poor deal that they got. Like the girls who had mental illnesses who were burned at the stake for being witches.
Well, now, the clouds are just beginning to part for them. For probably the first time in human history, they find themselves accepted for who they are, and they don't have to hide. Finally, they don't have to worry so much about being beaten to death. Gay pride parades are just their way of saying "Hey, world! I'm not afraid of you anymore! This is how I am, and I'm not going to change! I'm proud of how I was born, and there's not a damn thing you can do to change that!"
And you know what, that's fine with me. After thousands of years of them having to deal with "Homosexuality is an abomination, kill them all," I think that we can stand to deal with a few uncomfortable Gay pride parades.
You made several assumptions, the most blatant of which is that if it is genetic it is therefore acceptable. I wholeheartedly disagree.And why is it not acceptable? How exactly does it hurt you?
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