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229791
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Post by
Adamsm
It's bad thing too for the women who were traumatised to assume that every man is like the their husband/boyfriend. It's like this one millionaire who was robbed and mugged by two romanians, and then firing his two romanian servants (illegal btw, he's getting sued) and giving away lots of money to anti-immigration work. Just like battered women, this millionaire started to think that every romanian's a disgusting leech whose only job is to make other people's lives miserable.
These women, no matter how traumatised they are, can't require special handling at the cost of other people. If they can't handle thinking every man's a violent idiot just like their boyfriend/husband, then it's just their own fault that they can't go to the battered-women meeting where there's a man holding it.So much is wrong with that comment.....
Post by
pezz
It's bad thing too for the women who were traumatised to assume that every man is like the their husband/boyfriend. It's like this one millionaire who was robbed and mugged by two romanians, and then firing his two romanian servants (illegal btw, he's getting sued) and giving away lots of money to anti-immigration work. Just like battered women, this millionaire started to think that every romanian's a disgusting leech whose only job is to make other people's lives miserable.
These women, no matter how traumatised they are, can't require special handling at the cost of other people. If they can't handle thinking every man's a violent idiot just like their boyfriend/husband, then it's just their own fault that they can't go to the battered-women meeting where there's a man holding it.So much is wrong with that comment.....
QFT. Besides which, it doesn't dispute MyTie's point, ultimately. He just said that some people's race/gender/beliefs, etc., can affect how they perform in certain jobs. Whoever's fault it is that battered women don't trust men (hint: not the women), it's still true that they often don't, which means it's still true that there are jobs in a battered women's clinic that men can't do.
Post by
MyTie
Praising the bible is just their job, they don't have to live by it. Just like a teacher who teaches kids not to do marijuana or smoke cigs, and then at weekends does both of these things.
Does it matter that the Bible teaches against hypocrisy and listening to hypocrites? Preaching isn't some physical motion undertaken by a professional, as if a Doctor who performs an operation. It wouldn't matter if the Doctor believed that modern medicine was helpful or not, as long as he performed the surgery properly. However, if a person who is a teacher of morals is later found out not to believe those morals himself, and is found to be a hypocrite, it can have damageing effects on those he taught. Matthew 7:5 tells us to take the board out of our own eye before we remove the speck from our brothers. What kind of damage would we cause if we tried to operate blindly, as hypocrites?
I would say you are looking at preaching as too 'physical' of a job, as if words simply need to be spoken. If a preacher makes a mockery of his own words, he undoes his teaching, and then the job is NOT complete. Anyone who would do so should not be considered for application. A devout Jew in this case would disqualify.
However, I think we have a different understanding of morality and teaching. In my mind, such things must be done by mouth and more importantly, by example. You've heard the expression 'teach by example'. Words of wisdom.
Post by
MyTie
It's bad thing too for the women who were traumatised to assume that every man is like the their husband/boyfriend.
You should read up on trauma and its effects on the human mind before you jump to conclusions. It isn't that the woman is sexist, it is that she is traumatized. It would be like asking a person who nearly drowned to go out swimming. It isn't that they are prejudice against water, it is that they are afraid of it for what it has nearly done.
In most cases women recover and there is no problem and no sexism, but immediately after a woman has just been thrashed by a man, it is more effective to aid her if she is met by a woman.
Again, it isn't HER problem she is scared.
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229791
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Post by
Adamsm
Victory, just stop, you've obviously never encountered a battered woman.
Besides, I hate the double standards at the swimming halls here. There can be women cleaning the men's side but not men cleaning the women's side.That's to keep perverts from suddenly deciding to clean the woman's side while there are women in there... and possibly taking advantage of the situation.
Post by
pezz
QFT. Besides which, it doesn't dispute MyTie's point, ultimately. He just said that some people's race/gender/beliefs, etc., can affect how they perform in certain jobs. Whoever's fault it is that battered women don't trust men (hint: not the women), it's still true that they often don't, which means it's still true that there are jobs in a battered women's clinic that men can't do.Well if we want to go with some races, genders, religions better than others in job X, then we'll better go with it fully. All finance-jobs reserved for white males, menial jobs for black men and women, nursing-jobs for white and black women...
Can you give me a reason why black people are better at menial jobs, or why white men are better at finance jobs? I gave you an actual reason why men would not be a good choice for some jobs in a battered women's clinic. You're just spouting colors and races and job titles without any justifications.
Post by
229791
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Post by
pezz
Wow, someone struck out recently.
The most delicious irony, though, is how sexist that post was.
Post by
Adamsm
Victory, just stop, you've obviously never encountered a battered woman.That's to keep perverts from suddenly deciding to clean the woman's side while there are women in there... and possibly taking advantage of the situation.Oh my god. This isn't about discrimination, or can certain races/genders perform better in certain jobs... This is about you guys being brainwashed by women to seriously think that they're somehow higher and better than us, and they require special treatment. Women have so much effect on you that you unconsciously give them better treatment.
The irony is of course that you are never going to get better than pat on the head and possibly some nice words about how sweet you are, while all the sexist, self-conscious and arrogant men who only need women for one reason get all of those women. Women have your #$%^s at their iron fists, and you run around seriously thinking that women appreciate your efforts. At later age they realize that they need someone to settle down with and to take care of their babies, this is when they're nice enough to let you have some. But this kind of relationship isn't about physical attraction, these women will be happy to hop on a motorbike/mercedes once an opportunity comes.
I'm pretty damn sure that if we had talked about men all along, your thoughts would've been very different.
It's a messy post, but hey, atleast I stayed on topic.
Wow, someone struck out recently.
Aye, I have to agree. As for what I put, you didn't disprove anything, just went on a woman hating rant. I hope your find your 'stay in the kitchen, bare foot and pregnant' woman eventually though, /salute.
Post by
Orranis
Victory, just stop, you've obviously never encountered a battered woman.That's to keep perverts from suddenly deciding to clean the woman's side while there are women in there... and possibly taking advantage of the situation.Oh my god. This isn't about discrimination, or can certain races/genders perform better in certain jobs... This is about you guys being brainwashed by women to seriously think that they're somehow higher and better than us, and they require special treatment. Women have so much effect on you that you unconsciously give them better treatment.
The irony is of course that you are never going to get better than pat on the head and possibly some nice words about how sweet you are, while all the sexist, self-conscious and arrogant men who only need women for one reason get all of those women. Women have your #$%^s at their iron fists, and you run around seriously thinking that women appreciate your efforts. At later age they realize that they need someone to settle down with and to take care of their babies, this is when they're nice enough to let you have some. But this kind of relationship isn't about physical attraction, these women will be happy to hop on a motorbike/mercedes once an opportunity comes.
I'm pretty damn sure that if we had talked about men all along, your thoughts would've been very different.
It's a messy post, but hey, atleast I stayed on topic.
/facepalm.
I'd like you to put a disclaimer in there, stating that these are not the thoughts of men in general.
Post by
MyTie
I don't think he understands the situation well. He doesn't have a degree in psychology. He doesn't understand trauma. I'm going to write it off as 'inexperience', or perhaps he just hasn't been in the world long enough to have seen a woman who was truely suffering.
Anyway. I don't think mocking victory is going to help him understand.
Post by
Skreeran
So
this
video recently made it to the front page of the Video Games section of Memebase. In it, Thunderf00t (who I have heard before defending atheism and evolution via videos on Youtube) criticizes Anita Sarkeesian's Tropes vs. Women series on Youtube. I started watching it, and just couldn't follow his line of thinking. The way he framed it, as if Anita were attacking the actions of the men in the given situation (whether to save their girlfriends vs. whether to ignore the problem), simply felt like a straw man, as if he didn't understand her argument or was deliberately avoiding it.
The video received a mostly positive response on the site, while another
post
I saw today received a mostly negative response.
So after perusing the comments of both posts, here is what I don't understand. It seems like the general populace perceives feminism as an attack on masculinity, or as a supremacist movement. And while I can certainly see how some people in particular might give off that impression (I can't deny that some women believe male to be inferior, just as some men believe females to be inferior), I just can't see that myself. To me, it is very clear that men are more heavily featured in storytelling than women, with men generally being the heroes that save the day, and women either being damsels to be saved, or support characters to help the male hero reach his goal.
Yes, there are Samus (that is, until Other M), Lara Croft (despite the rapey overtones of her most recent game), Jade from Beyond Good and Evil, FemShep, Chell, and a number of other exceptions, but really they are just that: exceptions. Meanwhile you have Master Chief, Marcus Fenix, all of the CoD protagonists, Gordon Freeman, all of the Assassin's Creed protagonists (besides one on a handheld), Kratos, Doomguy, Sonic, Mario, Adam Jensen, Link, Cloud, etc.
Why are there not more female video game heroes? And don't tell me because men are stronger than women, because Samus and FemShep could easily kick my ass, and strength isn't everything.
It's not something exclusive to video games, either. People say that they don't support feminism, they support equality, but it seems that most feminists really are just pushing for equality. Women may not be as physically strong as men, but that really doesn't matter much in fiction. Protagonists usually
are
depicted as weaker than their antagonist, and the story comes from their defeating a stronger for through cunning, integrity, and determination. So why is it that it's almost always men?
Post by
Gone
I saw the Anita Sarkeesian video and I didn't really have much of a problem with its content, even though I'm not a big fan of extreme feminism. The only things I didn't care for is that she failed to mention many of the iconic female roles in more modern video games.
Post by
Jubilee
I agree that there needs to be more equality for women in a lot of areas. But I disagree with the focus on something like video games. The pervasiveness of the male hero motif is merely a result or symptom of deeper attitudes in society. Going after a symptom like that will not solve anything, and it will more than likely result in a bad video game with excessive shoehorning. Let's work hard to empower individual women to become heroes and role-models in real life. Let's build a society where women can be found anywhere doing anything, and no one will think twice about it. Then I guarantee you that if video game developers and players find women just as inspiring as men in the real world, then there will be plenty of room for them in our fictional worlds.
Post by
Gone
I agree that there needs to be more equality for women in a lot of areas. But I disagree with the focus on something like video games. The pervasiveness of the male hero motif is merely a result or symptom of deeper attitudes in society. Going after a symptom like that will not solve anything, and it will more than likely result in a bad video game with excessive shoehorning. Let's work hard to empower individual women to become heroes and role-models in real life. Let's build a society where women can be found anywhere doing anything, and no one will think twice about it. Then I guarantee you that if video game developers and players find women just as inspiring as men in the real world, then there will be plenty of room for them in our fictional worlds.
I think she was more targeting the media and popular culture in general, and used video games as a focus point.
Post by
Jubilee
And I say the same thing to those.
Post by
Skreeran
I saw the Anita Sarkeesian video and I didn't really have much of a problem with its content, even though I'm not a big fan of extreme feminism. The only things I didn't care for is that she failed to mention many of the iconic female roles in more modern video games.IIIRC, her series isn't done, and she plans to focus on the modern stuff in the future.
I agree that there needs to be more equality for women in a lot of areas. But I disagree with the focus on something like video games. The pervasiveness of the male hero motif is merely a result or symptom of deeper attitudes in society. Going after a symptom like that will not solve anything, and it will more than likely result in a bad video game with excessive shoehorning. Let's work hard to empower individual women to become heroes and role-models in real life. Let's build a society where women can be found anywhere doing anything, and no one will think twice about it. Then I guarantee you that if video game developers and players find women just as inspiring as men in the real world, then there will be plenty of room for them in our fictional worlds.The reason I bring it up here is because, at its root, this
is
a video games website, and to my knowledge, we're all gamers to some extent or another. I agree with you that women getting true equality in real life is the more important issue, but while there are female doctors and scientists and engineers in real life (my appendix was taken out by one), it seems movies and video games are still rather far behind on average.
Edit: And before I get lost in the weeds, my original point was that it's kinda strange how feminism is perceived as somehow less meritous as being pro-sexual orientation equality or pro-religious equality.
Post by
Gone
Tbh I think that men and women will always have somewhat different roles in society. I'm not saying it should always be "men are the workers, women are caregivers, etc". But I think some things will always appeal more to one gender than another.
There are lots of female gamers out there, but videos games are still by and large thought of as a "boys club" type of thing, and I think that's why a lot of the developers pander to that market.
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