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Post by
Gone
I came across this video. The actual blogger is an obnoxious #$%^&*!, but watch the clips of the way these women are conducting themselves and tell me feminism isn't complete bull*!@#, at least if judged by the actions of those involved here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2KPeMcYsuc
Mike, you picked a video by the most obnoxious prick you possibly could. I've seen that guy before make a video calling Amanda Todd a dumb $%^& like the day after she killed herself, and in another video he said a catholic priest molesting a child is less harmful than teaching a room full of people about God.
As far as the video itself goes, yes those women are over the top and obnoxious. But as I've said before, in western society, today, radical feminism is a joke. You can't judge the actions of an entire movement based on extremists. The women at that protest do not represent mainstream feminism.
Post by
Frostshamadin
bear in mind that the asshat atheist is the guy who posted this to a rape victim on reddit:
God, I'm trying so hard not to wish violence on that guy.
you picked a video by the most obnoxious prick you possibly could.
Look at this, Feminists, Atheists, and Christians all united in hatred. I think I just brought peace to the debate.
Post by
Skreeran
As if he wasn't deserving.
Post by
Patty
/unrelated atm BUT
By the way, I'd suggest everybody gets acquainted with stuff on places like
this
,
this
and
this
before posting in here because other feminists have probably already addressed your queries more eloquently than I can. Also so you can actually get an idea of the terms thrown around in here and a sense of what feminism is. It's pretty frustrating seeing questions or arguments made by posters who clearly have not even a basic idea of what they're actually discussing. I'm not trying to be patronising, it's just like anything - you should at least do basic research so you have a solid background to define your own views on. Plus I'd say I'm pretty new to feminism myself, so I'm finding some of the things on here pretty handy (and much more widely accessible than a lot of what I've previously been basing my viewpoint on).
Post by
MyTie
By the way, I'd suggest everybody gets acquainted with stuff on places like
this
,
this
and
this
I stopped reading at "@#$%Walk Toronto".
Imagine if I wanted to fight injustices toward Christians by walking down the streets of Portland, naked, or dressed inappropriately, screaming at bystanders and holding signs. What does this kind of crap hope to accomplish besides making feminism into this, what I call, popular indignation, instead of efforts to stop women from being actually beaten and raped.
$%^&Walk Toronto. Srsly.
Post by
Hyperspacerebel
To me, it feels like the more apt comparison is pro-life demonstrations in the street with huge signs with pictures of mutilated fetuses on them. It's using shock value to make a point. It might not be totally socially acceptable, it might not be something even the demonstrators want to see on the streets everyday, but that's exactly why it's used to make that point.
Post by
Gone
The people who need real education are many of these so called feminists themselves. The people in that demonstrated have never been oppressed in their life, but they think that being a feminist means being as loud and aggressive as it was necessary to be back when women's rights first emerged as a movement, or continues to be in less enlightened places in the world.
Feminism isn't anti male, or even pro female anymore. If anything it's pro equality. Men can be feminists as well, we need a new word. Women getting preferential treatment in child custody cases and those of domestic violence is something real feminists want to abolish.
Protesting a men's conference is an absurd waste of time, and only hurts the movement because it gives people a negative image of feminism. As I've said before, true feminism should be about education above all else. Teach young girls to be independent and young boys to respect women.
Post by
MyTie
To me, it feels like the more apt comparison is pro-life demonstrations in the street with huge signs with pictures of mutilated fetuses on them. It's using shock value to make a point. It might not be totally socially acceptable, it might not be something even the demonstrators want to see on the streets everyday, but that's exactly why it's used to make that point.
It's like someone, believing in what you believe, doing a naked handstand and pissing, just to make a point. Please, go stand for something else. What's worse, is that, so often times, some feminists go to these extremes to protest stuff like the pay rate differences between men and women, even though employed men in their 20s earn less than employed women in their 20s. It's more of a "we must fight injustice", than finding any real injustice to fight. I think it makes people feel morally superior.
I'm fighting a perceived wrong. I'm morally superior.
They do this without any real understanding of what they are going about, why, or what finish goal they have in mind, beyond bumper sticker slogans and broad general talking points that they parrot.
Post by
Hyperspacerebel
I don't think we should be calling people idiots. It's not really healthy for the discussion. So, I guess I'll leave it at that.
Post by
MyTie
Agreed, edited.
Post by
Gone
I don't think we should be calling people idiots. It's not really healthy for the discussion. So, I guess I'll leave it at that.
Aye, we've had enough drama these past few weeks.
Post by
Squishalot
I don't think we should be calling people idiots. It's not really healthy for the discussion. So, I guess I'll leave it at that.
Aye, we've had enough drama these past few weeks.
Who called who an idiot? Who do we need to suspend this time?
:P
Post by
Hyperspacerebel
Me! Pick me! Pick me!
...wait...no...crap...
Post by
MyTie
HsR, I'm a little disappointed you decline to address the substance of my post, due to something so ambiguous. Why not respond to Ryja's post, which says pretty much what I said.
Post by
Gone
To be clear, I think that radical feminism, protesting, naked marches, etc, is unnecessary in countries like the United States where women's rights are advanced to the point where the only thing that needs a drastic shift is the societal opinion.
In countries where the laws and culture actively oppress women, like the Middle East or Africa, extreme feminism may still be necessary in order to bring about the change that has resulted in the western world.
Post by
MyTie
To be clear, I think that radical feminism, protesting, naked marches, etc, is unnecessary in countries like the United States where women's rights are advanced to the point where the only thing that needs a drastic shift is the societal opinion.
In countries where the laws and culture actively oppress women, like the Middle East or Africa, extreme feminism may still be necessary in order to bring about the change that has resulted in the western world.
I don't support it there, either. I think it still gives a bad impression, and will alienate a lot of women in that area, not to mention men, who might have otherwise supported them. "Shock" protesting, as a rule, is not an effective way of eliciting positive change. It only serves to give the protester a feeling of moral superiority.
Post by
Gone
I haven't formed an opinion on it yet tbh, I haven't read up enough on both sides of the issue. Atm I'm not for or against it.
Post by
MyTie
I haven't formed an opinion on it yet tbh, I haven't read up enough on both sides of the issue. Atm I'm not for or against it.
Oppression of women in the world really is a byproduct of other, root social problems. Religious despotism is the cause of much of it in the world. In places where the rules are made by religious rules, and the rules say that women are treated inferior to women, you have no hope of promoting equality for women until you upend the rule creating structure. A "@#$%walk" in Iran isn't going to do anything to help those women. They need a change in government.
Post by
Gone
I haven't formed an opinion on it yet tbh, I haven't read up enough on both sides of the issue. Atm I'm not for or against it.
Oppression of women in the world really is a byproduct of other, root social problems. Religious despotism is the cause of much of it in the world. In places where the rules are made by religious rules, and the rules say that women are treated inferior to women, you have no hope of promoting equality for women until you upend the rule creating structure. A "@#$%walk" in Iran isn't going to do anything to help those women. They need a change in government.
Maybe not Iran, but some of the more enlightened yet still oppressive middle eastern countries maybe. It's true that the religious dogma has a lot to do with it, but so does a general discomfort with sexuality present in the culture.
Post by
Hyperspacerebel
HsR, I'm a little disappointed you decline to address the substance of my post, due to something so ambiguous. Why not respond to Ryja's post, which says pretty much what I said.
I have nothing of value to bring to the topic other than pointing out what I think constitute misunderstandings or logical gaps. I have beliefs, but no validated premises to start from. Sorry to disappoint.
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